Anton > 03-11-2016, 04:34 PM
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Anton > 03-11-2016, 05:21 PM
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Emma May Smith > 03-11-2016, 06:59 PM
(03-11-2016, 04:02 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.My further thought - a trivial one - is that (as already expressed above), even within the same language the character entropy will be alphabet - dependent on how the alphabet is constructed. So what one needs is to check variations in Voynichese entropies with different approaches to constructing the Voynichese alphabet. Actually if one manages to "construct" a Voynichese alphabet such as that differential entropies would be close to that of the natural languages, that would be a huge step to decrypting Voynichese.
-JKP- > 04-11-2016, 01:17 PM
(03-11-2016, 04:27 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.By the way, neither of Bennett's calculations for natural languages does incorporate digits - which would add ten additional characters into the alphabet. Of course for texts such as "Hamlet" this is not crucial - since digits, if ever met with, are very rare there and do not influence the end result. But what e.g. for an apothecary's notebook?
stellar > 04-11-2016, 11:18 PM
(25-01-2016, 09:28 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The entropy is anomalously low, independent of the transcription alphabet. Indeed, there are different results depending on which alphabet is used, but these differences are significantly smaller than the anomaly observed.
Bennett in the 1970's (who first noted the anomalous values) used something similar to Currier's alphabet. Certainly, Eva should not be used for this type of analysis.
Indeed, the way to arrive at something similar to a 'normal' language is by compressing the Voynich text, i.e. combining characters.
However, this is just part of the picture.
Quote: The average word length for voynich glyph's is 5.5.
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Anton > 05-11-2016, 10:54 PM
Quote:This is a very interesting statement. I'm not certain if it is true but the possibility is intriguing.
Quote:I know Rene has spoken in the past about how different inputs have changed the entropy measurements of the Voynich text, though even the 'best' was still outlying to natural languages.
Sam G > 06-11-2016, 12:13 PM
(02-11-2016, 09:14 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Only one section is dedicated to the VMS - that is, the last section 4.22 of the chapter. It is only nine page long, with one page dedicated to problems for students and two pages - to scans of two folios of the VMS. That is not what I expected from what I read about this book in the Internet - I expected much more volume to be dedicated to the VMS. However, the actual state of things is reasonable - the whole book is dedicated to solving tasks with computer, so the VMS is just one interesting illustration or application. It is not subject to any dedicated focus neither in the book on the whole , nor even in the chapter 4.
That said, four pages are dedicated to the brief history of the VMS (with focus on the names of Dee and R. Bacon) and the attempts to analyse it (Newbold, Brumbaugh). The names of Yardley, Friedman and Tiltman are mentioned, as well as articles of Oneil (sic!), Friedman and Tiltman.
So only three pages are left for the discussion of the statistical properties of the VMS, which is much less than I expected.