-JKP- > 11-01-2017, 10:25 PM
(11-01-2017, 10:00 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Quote:If we accept that the real plant might have alternate leaves, rather than opposite leaves as in the VMS plant, then there are about 50 more plants that might match (including many of the thistles).
I think that would be a reasonable admission, because the whole look of the plant is apparently non-naturalistic - the roots are the same as leaves. Also note that in the figure they are not opposite exclusively. They are mostly opposite, but partly alternate still. And those that are opposite are in fact not strictly opposite but look as a single leaf awkwardly "pierced through".
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Anton > 11-01-2017, 10:53 PM
Diane > 12-01-2017, 11:18 AM
Anton > 12-01-2017, 01:47 PM
Quote:Anton, I'm not sure where you found mention of Carthamus tinctorius in connection with folio 54r, and I'm not trying to do more than offer the fact when I say that such was my own identification. I published that quite some time ago and will send you a copy of it if you'd like to know the evidence and reasoning behind it.
To judge from the quality of silence which met my opinion, nothing of the sort had been said before, and if anyone else has repeated the id since, I've not had any ping-backs.
But the short story is - yes - you have at least one person to cite for that id.
Anton > 12-01-2017, 01:53 PM
Quote:Plin. Nat. Hist. 21,90
Quote:The hemerocalles has a soft, pale green leaf, with an odo- riferous, bulbous root. This root, applied with honey to the abdomen, draws off the aqueous humours and all corrupt blood. The leaves of it are applied for defluxions of the eyes, and for pains in the mamillæ, after childbirth.
Koen G > 12-01-2017, 01:57 PM
Anton > 12-01-2017, 02:11 PM
Quote:Anton: following Diane's observations, I also believe that the mnemonics in or near the roots of the large plants (not the small plants) hint at the plant's usage. This plant - as evident in its name - was traditionally used for all kinds of dying and the oil can apparently even be used for painting. So brushes would be appropriate.
Helmut Winkler > 12-01-2017, 08:10 PM
(12-01-2017, 01:53 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Quote:Plin. Nat. Hist. 21,90
My browser suggests that I already consulted that chapter yesterday, but I can't see anything about carthamus or cnicon there.
It runs:
Quote:The hemerocalles has a soft, pale green leaf, with an odo- riferous, bulbous root. This root, applied with honey to the abdomen, draws off the aqueous humours and all corrupt blood. The leaves of it are applied for defluxions of the eyes, and for pains in the mamillæ, after childbirth.
Hemerocalles is not carthamus.