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• RE: Rosettes page upper left corner

  -JKP- > 03-12-2016, 05:24 AM

  Based on the images searcher posted, this is what they look like to me...
  
  First glyph         c or r with a tail  (EVA-s or EVA-r)
  Second glyph     a
  Third glyph        Latin ligature for r c or i c, or possibly Voynich bench char
  Fourth glyph      e? or o? something mostly rounded with a parchment flaw running through the middle at an angle
  space
  Fifth glyph         It looks like the Latin z-like squiggly abbreviation that stands for many things... -rum, semi-colon, et... In Latin it can have several squiggles.
  Sixth glyph        Not sure at all. A bit like c or leaning r with the tail, with the flourish trailing a long way off to the right.
  
  Those last two shapes after the space look as much like drawing squiggles as they do like letters. Even though the last one looks like a flourished c, I'm not sure it's intended as a letter.

• RE: Rosettes page upper left corner

  Searcher > 03-12-2016, 11:13 AM

  (03-12-2016, 03:56 AM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If I try to read it like Latin letters the best I can do is "Ratrib?" 
  
  As good a question as any, really.
  
  Seriously though I think it's Voynichese that's been distorted somewhat by the material. The drawings reaxh all the way to the edge across the top, so it's not strange to get a word or label there.

  
  Thanks, Koen. You can see "Ra...", that's good. 
  Who is next to try? 
  
  P. S. Later I will share an image where will be depicted how I exactly see and understand (interpret) it, including the strange and faded question-looking symbol.

• RE: Rosettes page upper left corner

  Searcher > 03-12-2016, 11:16 AM

  (03-12-2016, 05:24 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Based on the images searcher posted, this is what they look like to me...
  
  First glyph         c or r with a tail  (EVA-s or EVA-r)
  Second glyph     a
  Third glyph        Latin ligature for r c or i c, or possibly Voynich bench char
  Fourth glyph      e? or o? something mostly rounded with a parchment flaw running through the middle at an angle
  space
  Fifth glyph         It looks like the Latin z-like squiggly abbreviation that stands for many things... -rum, semi-colon, et... In Latin it can have several squiggles.
  Sixth glyph        Not sure at all. A bit like c or leaning r with the tail, with the flourish trailing a long way off to the right.
  
  Those last two shapes after the space look as much like drawing squiggles as they do like letters. Even though the last one looks like a flourished c, I'm not sure it's intended as a letter.

  
  Hi, JKP!
  You see six letters and two unknown shapes. That's very good , too.

• RE: Rosettes page upper left corner

  VViews > 03-12-2016, 03:16 PM

  Searcher,
  I was looking at your pictures and I can't help but wonder aloud:
  Is it plaintext: Paris ?
  Written by a later owner who was wondering whether the rosette map might be a variant of the famous itiineraries of connected cities and maps made by Matthew Paris?
  Yeah, unlikely, I know.

• RE: Rosettes page upper left corner

  Searcher > 03-12-2016, 03:48 PM

  (03-12-2016, 03:16 PM)VViews Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Searcher,
  I was looking at your pictures and I can't help but wonder aloud:
  Is it plaintext: Paris ?
  Written by a later owner who was wondering whether the rosette map might be a variant of the famous itiineraries of connected cities and maps made by Matthew Paris?
  Yeah, unlikely, I know.

  
  What I can note and what is quite interesting, is that the handwriting differs from the handwriting of the main text, but it is the same as in the other hidden notes.
  All member see the letter "a" clearly, as I understand. Do you agree that it differs from the equal character in the text?

• RE: Rosettes page upper left corner

  Anton > 03-12-2016, 03:51 PM

  The handwriting is not different. It is only that the folio is bent towards the corner, and thus the text is viewed at an angle.

• RE: Rosettes page upper left corner

  -JKP- > 03-12-2016, 04:41 PM

  I just went to the original, grabbed the corner and increased the contrast a bit.
  
  I'm really not sure of anything except the "a", and the flaw in the parchment pretty much obscures the last letter in the first group of shapes. I still can't tell if the the third and fourth shapes are two letters or a ligature (two letters joined). The first letter doesn't look like a "P" to me because the loop is not closed and the shape is pretty strange, but it's not at the usual angle for EVA-r or EVA-s. I'm still not convinced that the two shapes on the right are letters. Dunno, just not clear enough.
  
  

• RE: Rosettes page upper left corner

  Searcher > 03-12-2016, 09:07 PM

  My opinion still haven't changed from that time I firstly published it, maybe, it will be interesting to people, who are not familiar with my interpretation. Besides, this time I want to show the exact picture that I see there. I must confess that some lines was detected after  analysis and comparison of some strange objects of the VMs. Actually, it could almost impossible without such an approach, because we can detect a faded or illegible notes more or less  successfully, only if we know well those symbols or letters.
  
  
  
  Point 1 - original edited image (JKP's variant)
  Point 2 - shows darkened lines as I see this
  Point 3 - the first variant of interpretation of a possibly faded detail
  Point 4 - the second variant of interpretation of a possibly faded detail
  
  And now look at the comparison below.
  
  
  
  Personally my conclusions from this is that the "bird-glyph" means "R", i. e., I think, it acts as the sigil of the word in the top left corner of the Rosettes.
  I consider the handwriting here differs from the main on the basis of my vision of this inscription and due to the shape of the letter "a".

• RE: Rosettes page upper left corner

  E Lillie > 26-12-2016, 07:24 PM

  Hello all.
  
  @ Rene:
  
  Earlier in this thread you included an image of the upper-left corner apparently from Theodore Petersen's hand transcript of the Rosette Folio. Does the complete transcript exist anywhere online?
  If not, could you provide a link to a complete image of "9 Rosettes" from his transcription?
  
  Thank you

• RE: Rosettes page upper left corner

  ReneZ > 26-12-2016, 08:17 PM

  The original transcription by Th.Petersen, with annotations in colour (I have been told) is preserved in the Marshall Library in Lexington (Va), but is not online to the best of my knowledge.
  It was photocopied in B/W (with permission) by Jim Reeds, and at the time he provided photocopies to those interested.
  These are of moderate quality, and in particular the one for the Rosettes folio, which is spread over several 11-inch pages, is not among the best.
  I'll try to scan them, but this will be another 'copy of a copy'. If worthwhile, I can make these available to those interested.
  
  It would be great to have a colour scan of the original. The manuscript is full of interesting annotations.
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