julian > 16-09-2016, 04:48 AM
(15-09-2016, 08:49 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(15-09-2016, 08:43 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Quote:Or, the cipher relies on some mechanism (e.g. a cipher disk) that was reset between the writing of A folios and B folios.
That's, in particular, what I mean when I speak of the different initial conditions.
I'm not saying this isn't possible, but usually when cipher disks are reset, the result is significantly different rather than different in a few small details.
-JKP- > 16-09-2016, 06:07 AM
(16-09-2016, 04:48 AM)julian Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(15-09-2016, 08:49 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(15-09-2016, 08:43 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Quote:Or, the cipher relies on some mechanism (e.g. a cipher disk) that was reset between the writing of A folios and B folios.
That's, in particular, what I mean when I speak of the different initial conditions.
I'm not saying this isn't possible, but usually when cipher disks are reset, the result is significantly different rather than different in a few small details.
I'm also influenced by Strong's idea of multiple alphabets being used in some defined progression: if the scribe accidentally misses one alphabet out of the sequence then the result might be similar to what we see.
Is there a thread about Strong's proposal? (I know you have written about it in your blog, JKP.)
Anton > 16-09-2016, 10:14 AM
Quote:I don't know why the orthography would evolve. I'm seeking a model/process that fits the observation that the text changes over the course of the manuscript. Though the simplest reason for it would be that the script or language are new to being written, and the writer address problems as he finds them.
As to the nature of the changes, I'm not sure what the difference between evolution and stepwise would be here. Any orthography would be a set of discrete rules within the writer's head. Each one is either true or false at any given point in the manuscript. Multiple rules may have been changed at once, and some rules may have had a bigger effect than others.
Koen G > 16-09-2016, 10:44 AM
Emma May Smith > 16-09-2016, 11:11 AM
(16-09-2016, 10:14 AM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Quote:I don't know why the orthography would evolve. I'm seeking a model/process that fits the observation that the text changes over the course of the manuscript. Though the simplest reason for it would be that the script or language are new to being written, and the writer address problems as he finds them.
As to the nature of the changes, I'm not sure what the difference between evolution and stepwise would be here. Any orthography would be a set of discrete rules within the writer's head. Each one is either true or false at any given point in the manuscript. Multiple rules may have been changed at once, and some rules may have had a bigger effect than others.
I mean that if one reads a document in some language, then one naturally expects its orthography to be stable within this document. Are there are any real-life examples of books in a single language having their orthography evolving?
Diane > 16-09-2016, 01:57 PM
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Koen G > 27-04-2019, 05:07 PM
(27-04-2019, 02:16 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Before I spend hours and hours reading all the Currier information and follow-up studies, does anyone happen to know if most of the information and computational attacks comparing Curriers A and B have been at the level of tokens?
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ReneZ > 27-04-2019, 10:58 PM