Koen G > 15-09-2016, 05:19 AM
ReneZ > 15-09-2016, 05:57 AM
Anton > 15-09-2016, 08:46 AM
Quote:So, as explained elsewhere, if the most common word in A is "daiin" and in B is "aiin", and we say they are the same plaintext word (seems reasonable), then the glyph "d" in Language A must be a null ... but this may be flawed reasoning :-)
julian > 15-09-2016, 08:30 PM
(15-09-2016, 08:46 AM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Quote:So, as explained elsewhere, if the most common word in A is "daiin" and in B is "aiin", and we say they are the same plaintext word (seems reasonable), then the glyph "d" in Language A must be a null ... but this may be flawed reasoning :-)
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Let's consider the cipher case next. Either two persons working together (or sequentially - like one is the follower of the other) or one person working sequentially would be unlikely to use two different ciphers (which, furthermore, use the same writing system) in a single volume. So the cipher algorithm is, most likely, the same.
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Anton > 15-09-2016, 08:43 PM
Quote:Or, the cipher relies on some mechanism (e.g. a cipher disk) that was reset between the writing of A folios and B folios.
-JKP- > 15-09-2016, 08:49 PM
(15-09-2016, 08:43 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Quote:Or, the cipher relies on some mechanism (e.g. a cipher disk) that was reset between the writing of A folios and B folios.
That's, in particular, what I mean when I speak of the different initial conditions.
Emma May Smith > 15-09-2016, 09:28 PM
(15-09-2016, 08:46 AM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Now, what's the reason?
The writing system is the same. That's important. What might differ might be the underlay plain text language (e.g. Dialect 1 vs Dialect 2) - in the case we have an unknown natural language here, or the encryption procedure - in the case we have a cipher here.
Let's consider the natural language case first. In that case we have two persons writing different languages or dialects in the same writing system. (Or one person writing those in different periods of his life). Now, even one rare language with an unknown writing system is something extraordinary, but two persons writing a single volume using different languages or dialects and using the same writing system for that is something that I would call not very probable. Likewise he would be a strange single author who started in one dialect and ended with another - both in the same writing system. The problem is not with a single writing system for two different languages - e.g. English and Latin both use the same alphabet - but with the single writing system unknown to us for two different (rare or extinct) languages.
Anton > 15-09-2016, 10:58 PM
Quote:Both the script and the language could be the same, but the orthography may be different, which is indeed very likely if the script or the language were not commonly written. Here are lines from a Middle English poem, in two different manuscripts:
Koen G > 15-09-2016, 11:14 PM
Emma May Smith > 15-09-2016, 11:42 PM
(15-09-2016, 10:58 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Quote:Both the script and the language could be the same, but the orthography may be different, which is indeed very likely if the script or the language were not commonly written. Here are lines from a Middle English poem, in two different manuscripts:
But here we do have a single manuscript, not two different ones. Why would the orthography evolve? And, further, is it evolution or a stepwise change?