ThomasCoon > 29-11-2016, 02:02 AM
(29-11-2016, 01:04 AM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The word, "turn", makes sense to me as it implies turning her obedience from God. To answer your question straight out Mr. Coon I believe this is how it was encoded for I know the message that I have relayed from the Voyinch or the (Diablo's Logos) is not perfect English, it’s very close. Also you can encode more information with Gematria, therefore making the entropy look unusually low for a natural language so this would satisfy why the phrases like this, "Now I", are used. It's really not that tough to rap your head around, why the cipher was made this way! The words and phrases represent numbers from adding up the letter in either Hebrew, English or Simple Pythagorean Gematria. When you decode with my cipher I recommend just imputing the letters so that all Gematria engines are used.
Koen G > 29-11-2016, 03:59 AM
stellar > 29-11-2016, 05:05 AM
(29-11-2016, 03:59 AM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Actually this means that for a short sentence of five words, you can choose from 2430000000000 different translations. Indeed, the number of possible translations for a sentence of about ten words is much greater than the amount of stars in the universe, or grains of sand on earth.
Koen G > 29-11-2016, 05:20 AM
-JKP- > 29-11-2016, 05:21 AM
(29-11-2016, 05:05 AM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(29-11-2016, 03:59 AM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Actually this means that for a short sentence of five words, you can choose from 2430000000000 different translations. Indeed, the number of possible translations for a sentence of about ten words is much greater than the amount of stars in the universe, or grains of sand on earth.
Hi Koen,
Can you please show your calculation. I don't understand when 1 word out 200 in a search, seems to me only 200 possibilities. Where do you get 2430000000000?
stellar > 29-11-2016, 05:40 AM
(29-11-2016, 05:21 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(29-11-2016, 05:05 AM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(29-11-2016, 03:59 AM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Actually this means that for a short sentence of five words, you can choose from 2430000000000 different translations. Indeed, the number of possible translations for a sentence of about ten words is much greater than the amount of stars in the universe, or grains of sand on earth.
Hi Koen,
Can you please show your calculation. I don't understand when 1 word out 200 in a search, seems to me only 200 possibilities. Where do you get 2430000000000?
Stellar, it's a factorial.
For the first word, there are 200 possibilities. But then you add the second word and there are another 200 possibilities that can be added to EACH of the first 200 possibilities. See how that becomes a huge number very quickly, even when there are only three words?
Koen G > 29-11-2016, 06:27 AM
davidjackson > 29-11-2016, 07:34 AM
stellar > 29-11-2016, 08:51 AM
(29-11-2016, 06:27 AM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Tom, the numbers involved are just too large. A two word sentence will yield 40 000 different translations. If you had to write out all those options at two words per translation, you would have to write 80 000 words. Eighty thousand. That's a large novel.Koen Thanks for your thoughts,
Typing out all translations for a three word sentence would require 24 000 000 words. Twenty-four milion, for a three word sentence.
The King James Authorized Bible has 783,137 words.
So you would need a box full of bibles just to match the amount of words you would have to type to list all possible translations for a mere three Voynich words.
-JKP- > 29-11-2016, 11:24 AM
(29-11-2016, 08:51 AM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(29-11-2016, 06:27 AM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Tom, the numbers involved are just too large. A two word sentence will yield 40 000 different translations. If you had to write out all those options at two words per translation, you would have to write 80 000 words. Eighty thousand. That's a large novel.Koen Thanks for your thoughts,
Typing out all translations for a three word sentence would require 24 000 000 words. Twenty-four milion, for a three word sentence.
The King James Authorized Bible has 783,137 words.
So you would need a box full of bibles just to match the amount of words you would have to type to list all possible translations for a mere three Voynich words.
But I don't see it from your perspective. When I use a Gematria engine it finds a word or phrase number associated with a ciphered word number that I have built, thus eliminating hundreds of thousands of words. So I look backwards and forwards from 200-500 words that equal the same word number from a ciphered word I put in the Gematria Engine. Then I repeat for the 2nd word which can bring up about the same amount of words from the lists (i.e. 200-500). Then I go about a process of elimination looking for sentence structure with words that fit the model of the sentence or phrase of the whole paragraph. Sometimes I start in the middle of a sentence of the VMS text with ciphered words I have pulled to look for key meanings, then go backwards or forwards through out the Gematria lists. I'm finding most of the words in English Gematria.
When you find interrelationships with words from the Gematria lists which build a VMS sentence its not that complicated. Like when you find the word, "The", that begins at the start of a sentence in most cases or its like a conjunction for emphasis on a noun in a sentence.
For instance the Ros 2 folio I had 19 words to put together and form some coherent logic and it was not that difficult.