Possible related charm for f116v
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Quote:I can't believe this is supposed to be about a prisoner. Like you can just walk up to them and whisper stuff into their ear?


I can only quote what Gemini said me. I don't feel competent to decide if it is an hallucination or not.

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Me:
Does it look like some exorcism and casting a demon out of someone body?

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Gemini:
No, this is a release/escape charm designed to break physical chains or liberate a prisoner, rather than an exorcism or demonic banishment.
The heading "Der vmb den lyp gefangen ist" means "For one who is imprisoned in body" (referring to a human captive in physical chains, stocks, or a dungeon). In Early New High German, lyp (modern German Leib) means "body" or "life," and being "gefangen" means to be captured, imprisoned, or bound.
Key details that distinguish it from an exorcism:
  • Target Purpose: The charm promises "er wirt ledig" ("he will become free / released"). Medieval magic traditions contained numerous "binding" (Nestelknüpfen) and "unbinding" charms meant to open locks, break ropes, or help prisoners escape physical custody.
  • Lack of Demonic/Exorcistic Terminology: Exorcism texts (adjurationes) rely on imperative commands directed explicitly at evil spirits—using Latin formulas like Adjuro te, diabole ("I adjure thee, devil"), Exi ab eo ("Depart from him"), or Maledicte ("Accursed one"). None of these appear here.
  • Ritual Action: Whispering protective names into the right ear ("in daz recht ore") was a common method in medieval charm lore to pass divine or magical potency directly into a person's mind to grant them physical strength, divine favor, or protection while attempting an escape or awaiting judgment.
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Possible related charm for f116v - by Rafal - 09-09-2026, 02:43 PM
RE: Possible related charm for f116v - by MarcoP - 09-09-2026, 04:28 PM
RE: Possible related charm for f116v - by Koen G - 09-09-2026, 04:35 PM
RE: Possible related charm for f116v - by Rafal - 09-09-2026, 04:48 PM
RE: Possible related charm for f116v - by Rafal - 09-09-2026, 08:19 PM
RE: Possible related charm for f116v - by Rafal - 09-09-2026, 08:35 PM
RE: Possible related charm for f116v - by R. Sale - 09-09-2026, 09:09 PM
RE: Possible related charm for f116v - by Rafal - 10-09-2026, 11:52 AM
RE: Possible related charm for f116v - by Bernd - 10-09-2026, 01:23 PM
RE: Possible related charm for f116v - by Rafal - 10-09-2026, 01:50 PM
RE: Possible related charm for f116v - by Koen G - 10-09-2026, 02:45 PM
RE: Possible related charm for f116v - by Rafal - 10-09-2026, 04:33 PM
RE: Possible related charm for f116v - by JoeyB - 12-09-2026, 04:21 PM
RE: Possible related charm for f116v - by Bernd - 11-09-2026, 10:34 AM

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