22-06-2026, 12:13 PM
(This post was last modified: 22-06-2026, 12:54 PM by Stefan Wirtz_2.)
You named your posting here "some suggestions and theories",
but your last text block was in total a line of observations, some questions about those and a final one:
For the "months' names": no, it is obviously not enough to figure out language/country (of those "months" words only!)
I came with this some few times now:
is asking and caring for the "months' names the relevant question here?
If we see(!) and then consider what we get: no.
We see several months (in many understandings, even the wrong ones...) scribbled across the zodiacs' badges in some cursive/kurrent* writing, which is used nearly nowhere else -- surely not in VMS main texts, labels and comments.
This type of writing was also not much en vogue in the first half of 15th Ct.
You can understand these words as "octe-bre", "noue-bre" and even "decebre" here, that can be recognized, but it doesn't really matter.
Most researchers take here something for granted that was not deeply discussed:
the "zodiac" sequence is the only major element of VMS that we all immediately can recognize -- and not only we today, but even medieval Europeans, Chinese, Arab or some Maya/Aztec, who had a similar concept of zodiacs on their own, but at 1440 of course no imagination of Europe (and Europe not of South America). Nearly all people of this world (apart from Subsahara) would have been able to recognize such symbols as some kind of zodiacs.
The question is: why on earth would the author or some scribe of VMS explain to us the only part that we can know, while he is explaining nothing else of the unknown parts in any understandable writing?
Too kind of him -- a guy that never seems to be kind.
Was it really kindness to give us some hints, or are the months's names just graffiti add-ons by some jerk who wasn't sure about it 200 years later and gave himself some (not-even-quite-accurate) help with such unnecessary notes?
As some people here know, I am strongly tending to this second understanding; some "belief" into the kindness of that author does not help at all, and the hunt for origin and language of those names will be useless, apart from maybe knowing some day where this late commentator came from and what he spoke...
So what are the relevant observations and questions within the zodiac sequence...?
(* for German readers. We have a different understanding of "cursive")
but your last text block was in total a line of observations, some questions about those and a final one:
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- 133:1006205 has the word "octebra" in the middle of the picture, a Libra month is "october" and there is a Libra symbol in the middle. Same thing with 135:1006207, in the middle there is something like "dembre" - Sagittarius month "december". Aren't those enough to figure out the language/country?
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So, no one is going to comment on this?
For the "months' names": no, it is obviously not enough to figure out language/country (of those "months" words only!)
I came with this some few times now:
is asking and caring for the "months' names the relevant question here?
If we see(!) and then consider what we get: no.
We see several months (in many understandings, even the wrong ones...) scribbled across the zodiacs' badges in some cursive/kurrent* writing, which is used nearly nowhere else -- surely not in VMS main texts, labels and comments.
This type of writing was also not much en vogue in the first half of 15th Ct.
You can understand these words as "octe-bre", "noue-bre" and even "decebre" here, that can be recognized, but it doesn't really matter.
Most researchers take here something for granted that was not deeply discussed:
the "zodiac" sequence is the only major element of VMS that we all immediately can recognize -- and not only we today, but even medieval Europeans, Chinese, Arab or some Maya/Aztec, who had a similar concept of zodiacs on their own, but at 1440 of course no imagination of Europe (and Europe not of South America). Nearly all people of this world (apart from Subsahara) would have been able to recognize such symbols as some kind of zodiacs.
The question is: why on earth would the author or some scribe of VMS explain to us the only part that we can know, while he is explaining nothing else of the unknown parts in any understandable writing?
Too kind of him -- a guy that never seems to be kind.
Was it really kindness to give us some hints, or are the months's names just graffiti add-ons by some jerk who wasn't sure about it 200 years later and gave himself some (not-even-quite-accurate) help with such unnecessary notes?
As some people here know, I am strongly tending to this second understanding; some "belief" into the kindness of that author does not help at all, and the hunt for origin and language of those names will be useless, apart from maybe knowing some day where this late commentator came from and what he spoke...
So what are the relevant observations and questions within the zodiac sequence...?
(* for German readers. We have a different understanding of "cursive")