(28-05-2026, 01:56 PM)oshfdk wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I think you may have missed my last reply because it was at the bottom of a page, but I'd also like to say here a bit about why I personally don't find this research direction interesting (I'm talking about my perspective only) in the context of Timm & Schinner.
I very well may have missed that post and my apologies for doing so.
There is nothing in my work that says it can't be a cypher. I have mentioned in another reply that a whole production of gibberish is very unsatisfying. I still have this underlying hope/belief that it does contain actual content. My working theory is that it's mnemonic which you could say is a form of cypher. The point of the generator is to explore the copy/mutate possibility. To locate the sources for these pages, the parent words, and offer a possibility. If the sheet/quire source method I think I've discovered leads to a decipherment, I'm all in and I truly hope it helps you in that quest. Let me know what I can do to further that. And you are correct, it may very well be a dead end. But, in my opinion, if you don't know the neighborhood the best way to find out if that street is a cul-du-sac is to actually drive down that street and look. And so far, I am aware of methods that can produce Voynich looking text that fails statistically. I'm trying to approach from the other end. To succeed statistifcally and THEN match visually.
Also, you piqued my curiosity with your bigram smashing generator idea. I actually pursued that yesterday. I had codex create a small machine learning script that would run through my data and, instead of bigrams/trigrams, it tried to break words into syllables and create a set of weighted tables. The thought there was, a scribe would understand pronunciation and syllables rather than linguistic terms like bigram, n-gram, etc. And I've always had this idea that the Voynich can be pronounced. I then rearranged your generator idea using those ML results. Here's what I got.
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chckhol qotchody okchees chal chos shody ykchckhey otshes
chody okchees oteoky chckheey ypshor oteodaiin ypshor choty
chees shor chckhol chochor chopchor shey choschochor chees
chopchol qokeeor chal chody qokeor qotchaiin qokchar cheees
cheeaiin chees shey chopydaiin chody otar okor ypshody
yshody chopchos ykchcthey shokydaiin ykchey cheeey chos chees
chckhor choky qokchol ykchey chos shody yshor chochor
otol qokchaiin qokchor shody chcthod qotchaiin qokeeoky cheeaiin
qokchol chos chochor qocthod chopchol shey qokcheey ykeees
qokchor chochor qotody okchy chodalchy shey otaiin chody
chckhey okchody chckheol chody chal chckhey shoteodaiin qotchaiin
shotar chcthol yfod chcthol chal yckhey qotchody
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ykchey yfod qotchaiin chcthaiin chckhey shoteeaiin otol qotchaiin
qokeey chcthody chckhey shes chody choty chopydaiin chckhor
shodan otchodalchy chcthor chees chocthy shey chopchey qokeey
chcthol shey ykchopchey okshor chokchol otchodalchy chopor okchal
chockhy chodalchy ykchopchey otchockhy shod chcthal chocthy qokeeodaiin
qokody chopydaiin cheees chckhey chos ykam qotchody shey
qochckhol okshor chockhody shotaiin ykeees chckhoal cheeaiin otchoty
qokodalchy chody otchoty shod cheees okeeaiin shor qokchaiin
chees qockhol chal chody ykam chees chcthaiin ykchal
qokeor qotchody qochckhol qotchaiin choty qotody chal qocthey
cheeey qokcheey qocthey chckheey yckhey qokchor chckhody qokchaiin
shor chees qokchor chckhey chopydaiin qokeaiin shod
That uses no seed page, just "syllables". It does use a type of ledger with a lot of weighting. So you can see, it does LOOK a lot more like Voynich than my generator. However, the statistics were WAY off. In particular, the vocabulary size and hapax count. I could likely have continued working on it and gotten those numbers closer to Voynich, but, it would have required some pretty serious memory juggling to produce it unless... they had a method for pronouncing Voynich words which we will likely never prove.
Code:
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GLOBAL STATISTICS
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Tokens : 9500
Types : 379
TTR : 0.0399
Hapax : 59
Chunk uses : 24337
Chunk types used : 271
Word length distribution
4 1830
5 1239
6 1622
7 2159
8 1520
9 791
10 211
11 127
12 1
Top 30 words
chody 383
shey 358
chckhey 310
cheees 298
chos 293
shor 271
chees 211
qokchor 209
chal 168
chckhol 165
qokeey 160
shody 156
choty 147
chckhody 144
shod 124
otol 118
cheeaiin 109
qotchaiin 108
chcthod 104
chodalchy 103
shes 102
chcthey 100
chockhy 99
cheeey 99
qokchaiin 90
qokchol 89
okor 85
qokcheey 84
qokeeor 80
chopchol 78
Top 30 chunks used
ch 3333
sh 1735
qo 1705
ey 1406
ckh 1056
ody 926
or 920
ok 793
ee 779
ot 726
cho 722
cth 687
ol 604
kch 591
aiin 570
es 562
y 448
ke 414
od 376
al 360
yk 349
os 315
chy 274
tch 259
ees 249
op 249
eey 203
eo 191
ar 186
ty 185
Top 30 character bigrams
ch 6311
ho 4805
he 2686
ee 2417
ok 2375
qo 1967
sh 1960
od 1924
ey 1923
hc 1590
ot 1453
or 1345
kc 1329
ck 1324
kh 1324
dy 1142
ai 951
es 928
ol 875
in 866
ct 851
th 851
ha 840
ii 835
ke 759
oc 673
al 603
eo 529
hy 525
da 460
Top 30 character trigrams
cho 2659
hod 1602
chc 1590
kch 1329
ckh 1324
hey 1293
qok 1231
che 1214
ody 1142
sho 1113
hee 1095
okc 1061
hor 995
hck 926
cth 851
aii 834
iin 759
ees 753
she 745
oke 719
hct 664
eee 661
kho 626
hol 579
khe 568
kee 566
eey 547
cha 522
qot 428
otc 419
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