(27-05-2026, 12:16 AM)Dunsel wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.And my system would be too cumbersome for a 15th century scribe? Do you see my point? You've been opposed to this idea I have of using the ledger and you've been trying to say it's much simpler than that. And it may well be. But so far, my ledger and "don't look stupid rules" are about a simple as it gets.
First of all the result produced by your system appears much farther from Voynichese visually. It's immediately clear that this is not Voynichese (qkamamaiiiin? oltheeo?), while my example maybe even can be used to fool somebody.
Dunsel wrote:daiin oroksy qoeeey qkamamaiiiin oroksy otedy shey saiin
daiin or qokain daiin rotain dain or cthol
oltheeo chol daiin cthey qokal otedy ol cthol
chedy cheaiiky daiin shey qokain qokair dair cpholsho
vs
oshfdk wrote:oteedy chedary qoldaly cholky qoky saiiral chedy cpholky
chdykaiin chedary ol daiin chdoroldal otey opdorolky ockhol
ykair otey shedal chedaiin doroldal dorolkchol sheey qokain
orolky opdor daiin qokal oteedor oteedykaiin qoky daiin
Also, I don't think my rule set is very complex, the trigram part can be implemented on the table lookup principles that were used in the XV century and appear a lot in the manuscripts. The selection process is obvious too.
But most importantly, I'm not arguing here which Voynichese-like generation system is better, because I personally believe that Voynichese is a cipher and no generator of any kind was used to produce it. I'm just showing that ledgers and copy+mutate are not the only options, so I'm not sure what exactly they add to possible explanations of the manuscript.
Edit: to clarify my last point, it would be perfect if anyone could prove that copy+mutate was used to create the manuscript. Because proving that copy+mutate+some vague artistic rules can be used to create the manuscript appears a bit pointless, we can just as well say that the manuscript was created on a hunch with no clear process by sheer brainpower of a person with good visual memory and pattern following skills.