[split] Volvelles or Disks
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(15-02-2026, 07:27 PM)Rafal wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Alicia, are you thinking all these gearwork things yourself or are you using AI ?

Volvelles and cipher rings were much simpler things that you expect them to be, especially in the 1400s.
And Voynichese isn't that regular as you may think. There is a lot of words that won't match prefix-core-suffix scheme or even (prefix)-(core)-(suffix) where (prefix) means that there is a word part from list of prefixes or not.

Today people are using computers and still are unable to write a program that would generate all Voynichese words by rules (and not using the prepared list).
And generating some logic with gears is much harder than with a computer, believe me.

As other say, If you have some brilliant idea, show us the sketch of your supposed machine. But you will probably discover how hard is to go from vague ideas to details.

Hi Rafal,

To answer your first question: No, I am not "thinking via AI."

I am thinking via Stolfi: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
and Zandbergen: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

Have you read them recently? If not, you should, because my entire argument is based on public documentation available to everyone. Just open ''The cardan grille...'' paper, press CTRL + F and type ''wheel''.

You state that "Voynichese isn't that regular" and that "a lot of words won't match the prefix-core-suffix scheme." With all due respect, the academic literature explicitly contradicts this.

According to Jorge Stolfi’s Word Grammar, the Crust-Mantle-Core structure explains approximately 96% of all text words. If a theory covers 96% of a dataset, we don't call the remaining 4% "proof of irregularity." In science, we call that Signal vs. Noise. Or, in our theory, Mechanical Slippage.

You also mention that "generating some logic with gears is much harder than with a computer."

Actually, René demonstrated exactly the opposite in his paper The Cardan grille approach.... He proved that a simple 3-wheel mechanism naturally produces the Binomial Word Length Distribution found in the VMS, something that is incredibly hard to fake with a computer rule-set but is the default output of three rotating rings.

So, to address your challenge: "Show us the sketch." The sketch has been in front of us for years.
  • Stolfi’s Core-Mantle-Crust diagram is not just a grammar, it is the blueprint of the rings (Inner, Middle, Outer).
  • Zandbergen’s 3-Wheel Generator provides the mechanism that explains the binomial distribution.

I am not inventing "vague ideas." If you think the text is irregular, you are arguing against the math, not against me.

Alicia
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[split] Volvelles or Disks - by AliciaNelPresente - 14-02-2026, 02:36 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by nablator - 14-02-2026, 04:29 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by Rafal - 14-02-2026, 04:59 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by DG97EEB - 14-02-2026, 05:11 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by RobGea - 14-02-2026, 05:33 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by tavie - 14-02-2026, 08:13 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by Bluetoes101 - 15-02-2026, 12:12 AM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by Mauro - 14-02-2026, 09:31 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by Rafal - 14-02-2026, 10:24 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by RobGea - 14-02-2026, 11:06 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by Bluetoes101 - 15-02-2026, 12:41 AM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by RobGea - 15-02-2026, 01:08 AM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by DG97EEB - 15-02-2026, 11:49 AM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by DG97EEB - 15-02-2026, 05:32 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by nablator - 15-02-2026, 01:17 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by nablator - 15-02-2026, 07:05 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by Rafal - 15-02-2026, 07:27 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by AliciaNelPresente - 15-02-2026, 07:58 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by nablator - 15-02-2026, 08:12 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by DG97EEB - 15-02-2026, 09:12 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by DG97EEB - 15-02-2026, 10:37 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by Yavernoxia - 15-02-2026, 10:54 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by Rafal - 16-02-2026, 12:20 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by Koen G - 17-02-2026, 10:29 AM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by julian - 24-02-2026, 05:17 AM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by Koen G - 24-02-2026, 09:52 AM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by eggyk - 24-02-2026, 06:06 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by julian - 24-02-2026, 07:53 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by eggyk - 25-02-2026, 12:49 AM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by DG97EEB - 24-02-2026, 11:35 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by Skoove - 25-02-2026, 03:48 AM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by nablator - 26-02-2026, 04:15 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by nablator - 26-02-2026, 08:52 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by pjburkshire - 12-03-2026, 02:14 AM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by Rafal - 12-03-2026, 02:03 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by eggyk - 12-03-2026, 04:48 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by tavie - 12-03-2026, 03:56 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by tavie - 12-03-2026, 05:02 PM

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