[split] Volvelles or Disks
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Hi everyone,

I wanted to open a discussion on a specific possibility that seems to be gaining traction with the recent studies coming out.We have all seen the discussion around Greshko's "Naibbe Cipher" and how it generates text that statistically resembles the Voynich. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

Then, Pincar’s model identifies a very specific dependency in the text. Essentially, he demonstrates that the ciphertext depends not just on the current symbol, but on the previous one as well meaning the system has "memory" or context. And let's be clear, he himself highlights the following in his article: “This model identifies the structure, but not the content. We cannot determine: the identity of the source language, the semantic meaning of any word, or whether the manuscript contains meaningful information.” You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

If we start from that basis, that there is a mechanical dependency between the previous state and the current one, could we be looking at the text result of a three part volvelle or cipher disk?

A device with concentric rings (Outer, Middle, Inner) would naturally force the rigid Prefix + Root + Suffix word structure that we see throughout the manuscript. Something like this: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

I am curious to hear your thoughts. At first glance, what jars you about this idea? Does a mechanical "wheel" explanation fail to account for any specific linguistic features you've noticed?

Alicia
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[split] Volvelles or Disks - by AliciaNelPresente - 14-02-2026, 02:36 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by nablator - 14-02-2026, 04:29 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by Rafal - 14-02-2026, 04:59 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by DG97EEB - 14-02-2026, 05:11 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by RobGea - 14-02-2026, 05:33 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by tavie - 14-02-2026, 08:13 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by Bluetoes101 - 15-02-2026, 12:12 AM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by Mauro - 14-02-2026, 09:31 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by Rafal - 14-02-2026, 10:24 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by RobGea - 14-02-2026, 11:06 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by Bluetoes101 - 15-02-2026, 12:41 AM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by RobGea - 15-02-2026, 01:08 AM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by DG97EEB - 15-02-2026, 11:49 AM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by DG97EEB - 15-02-2026, 05:32 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by nablator - 15-02-2026, 01:17 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by nablator - 15-02-2026, 07:05 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by Rafal - 15-02-2026, 07:27 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by nablator - 15-02-2026, 08:12 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by DG97EEB - 15-02-2026, 09:12 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by DG97EEB - 15-02-2026, 10:37 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by Yavernoxia - 15-02-2026, 10:54 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by Rafal - 16-02-2026, 12:20 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by Koen G - 17-02-2026, 10:29 AM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by julian - 24-02-2026, 05:17 AM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by Koen G - 24-02-2026, 09:52 AM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by eggyk - 24-02-2026, 06:06 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by julian - 24-02-2026, 07:53 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by eggyk - 25-02-2026, 12:49 AM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by DG97EEB - 24-02-2026, 11:35 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by Skoove - 25-02-2026, 03:48 AM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by nablator - 26-02-2026, 04:15 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by nablator - 26-02-2026, 08:52 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by pjburkshire - 12-03-2026, 02:14 AM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by Rafal - 12-03-2026, 02:03 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by eggyk - 12-03-2026, 04:48 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by tavie - 12-03-2026, 03:56 PM
RE: [split] Volvelles or Disks - by tavie - 12-03-2026, 05:02 PM

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