21-12-2025, 01:04 AM
(20-12-2025, 09:03 AM)kckluge wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(20-12-2025, 08:35 AM)MarcoP wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If I understand correctly, an implication is that Currier A (as defined by the left-side cluster in the plots) is coincident with Scribe 1 plus Scribe 4. So the A/B split can be entirely explained by the different scribes (but for those three herbal pages)?With the caveat that Scribe 4 also does one side of the big Rose foldout and those pages all cluster on the B language side with the text on Scribe 2's nine-rosette diagram, yes.
To which Marco replied
Quote:Ah, thank you. So Scribe 4 wrote both A and B pages, and there is no simple explanation for the two clusters. That's more interesting and more like the Voynich (nothing is ever simple).
Looking at Lisa Fagin-Davis' "How Many Glyphs and How Many Scribes?" paper, I see I need to make a correction and a further caveat -- she says, "Quire 14 is the famed 'Rose' foldout, with six panels on the obverse written by Scribe 2 and the nine-segment Rose on the other side apparently (but not definitely) written by Scribe 4."
So a) I had Scribes 2 & 4 flipped with regard to which side of the foldout sheet each did, and b) it could still be the case that Scribe 4 only works in a variant of the A language (subject to the debate about the status of Zodiac labelese) since Lisa leaves some wiggle room regarding whether or not Scribe 4 did the rose diagram.
If Scribe 4 *did* do the rose side of the big foldout, that is interesting in and of itself because it implies
1) that he/she knew there were distinct A & B languages/dialects, and
2) made the deliberate decision to write the rose diagram non-label text in a B language dialect to go with Scribe 2's use of a B language dialect for the non-label text on the other side of the sheet rather than in the A language dialect Scribe 4 wrote the Quire 9-12 circular diagram/zodiac page non-label text in.


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