16-10-2016, 10:37 AM
(This post was last modified: 16-10-2016, 10:38 AM by Diane.
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Koen,
I agree with VViews that
but I tend to think it's not a good idea to reply to a thread by suggesting, in effect, that the thread is "wrong". If I think it's a waste of time, I try not to waste my time just to make the poster feel bad. Just my position.
Koen, I think you are right, though, about the objects held being attributes. Attributes of what/whom is the issue then. And for a coherent answer, one has to be able to offer a consistent explanation for all the emblematic objects upon each page, and preferably across a section where the figures holding them are comparable.
I haven't been able to do that so far, but I do think I know what one of the objects is meant for..
![[Image: f-80v-instrument.jpg]](https://voynichimagery.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/f-80v-instrument.jpg)
The thing is not a cornucopia as one might suppose, and as many do. I think it shows an object used to determine time, and thus to determine place - the same sort of thing as that which has been wrongly described as the "Baghdad Battery" and I'm not the first person to compare the object with that one - though I believe I may be the first to have equated it with the sort of instrument which tells time and allows the observer to calculate their position on the earth.
This coin shows the gridded earth with the cornucopia-that-isn't, in its bendy form.
![[Image: coin-sinope-paphlagonia1.jpg]](https://voynichimagery.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/coin-sinope-paphlagonia1.jpg)
A cornucopia was an empty horn filled with food... You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. The spike signals the difference.
Because I also say that these 'nymphs' refer to astronomical forms, I should suggest an id. for the stars associated with the object, but I can think of too many possibilities and have no way to judge between them. Just two: 1i) Serpens Cauda (Serpent Tail) aperhaps with Ophiuchus;(2) One of the Ursae in a form akin to the Egyptians "Azde" constelltion. People debate whether that was originally U. Major then U.minor, or only the first, or only the second etc. I won't go into that.
If such was the intention of the person who first formed these images, then an object's being hidden would imply that at a given latitude those stars can't be seen.
Koen, did you want such suggestions or have you already a posited explanation for the emblems and so on?
The one I'd most like to understand is "dead duck".
I agree with VViews that
Quote:it seems to me that the relationship between the various Voynich people and the objects they hold is possibly very different in the various sections of the Manuscript, and even within the "bathy" section
but I tend to think it's not a good idea to reply to a thread by suggesting, in effect, that the thread is "wrong". If I think it's a waste of time, I try not to waste my time just to make the poster feel bad. Just my position.
Koen, I think you are right, though, about the objects held being attributes. Attributes of what/whom is the issue then. And for a coherent answer, one has to be able to offer a consistent explanation for all the emblematic objects upon each page, and preferably across a section where the figures holding them are comparable.
I haven't been able to do that so far, but I do think I know what one of the objects is meant for..
The thing is not a cornucopia as one might suppose, and as many do. I think it shows an object used to determine time, and thus to determine place - the same sort of thing as that which has been wrongly described as the "Baghdad Battery" and I'm not the first person to compare the object with that one - though I believe I may be the first to have equated it with the sort of instrument which tells time and allows the observer to calculate their position on the earth.
This coin shows the gridded earth with the cornucopia-that-isn't, in its bendy form.
A cornucopia was an empty horn filled with food... You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. The spike signals the difference.
Because I also say that these 'nymphs' refer to astronomical forms, I should suggest an id. for the stars associated with the object, but I can think of too many possibilities and have no way to judge between them. Just two: 1i) Serpens Cauda (Serpent Tail) aperhaps with Ophiuchus;(2) One of the Ursae in a form akin to the Egyptians "Azde" constelltion. People debate whether that was originally U. Major then U.minor, or only the first, or only the second etc. I won't go into that.
If such was the intention of the person who first formed these images, then an object's being hidden would imply that at a given latitude those stars can't be seen.
Koen, did you want such suggestions or have you already a posited explanation for the emblems and so on?
The one I'd most like to understand is "dead duck".