22-11-2025, 03:01 AM
(This post was last modified: 22-11-2025, 05:22 AM by Linda.
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(22-11-2025, 02:07 AM)Bluetoes101 wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The fleece idea personally I don't find to be too compelling, though it would be nice for my idea about crowns.. anyway here is the fleece in a way that might be closer to the VM drawing. R.Sale identified it as the fleece, I have not checked myself.
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The Order of the Golden Fleece began in 1430, so it is of the time period, and still exists today, in the realm of royal families, etc. R. Sale links it to Philip the Good, who started the order, and his library, wherein he has found some of the imagery he describes, regarding Agnus Dei and the Mermaid, for instance, and if i understand correctly, one is to recognize all this and pull in all the political connections from the relationships of the people involved in the Order, as well as other prominent people such as cardinals from other visual associations. But I have not been able to follow the logic of this theory to its conclusion.
Also, the golden fleece usually has curly horns, I don't see that in the vms, although yours has straighter horns, but is of the wrong time period for the carbon dating. I was reading that a bishop had declared the Order's fleece iconography to be that of Gideon, rather than of Jason and the Argonauts, but the Gideon portrayals are generally of either a stretched fleece or one being wrung out re the heavenly dew.
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I think it has more to do with the dew, heavenly or not, however the nebuly lines get included quite often in the Gideon works re the heavenly connections.

