The Naibbe cipher
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(05-08-2025, 01:19 PM)Rafal wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Really interesting stuff!

This cipher is very "verbose", isn't it? To get a word of 5 letters you need to write down about 15 Voynich letters or so.

Yes, it is! This is the fundamental tradeoff with the Naibbe cipher: extremely reliable replication of a lot of word-level VMS properties, at the expense of verbosity.

Quote:But frankly I don't believe Voynich Manuscript was created this way. Simply feels like too much work Wink
Also the labels wouldn't make sense, they would be in most cases single letters or at most pairs of letters.

The labels are one of the biggest issues with the Naibbe cipher, as I mentioned in the paper and presentation. But the overall properties of VMS text imply that, if there's a plaintext lurking there, the cipher has to be verbose to some degree. When applying René's "NOT the solution" cipher to the Divine Comedy, for example, the median word type is 3 letters long, and the longest word type is 4 letters long, a milder version of the same fundamental problem. If the VMS "labels" were each only a few plaintext letters long at most, then how would that change how we interpret them?
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