05-07-2025, 07:07 PM
(This post was last modified: 06-07-2025, 11:13 AM by Jorge_Stolfi.
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(05-07-2025, 04:18 PM)nablator wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view."It does not follow" is not a valid criticism of any theory... Induction is not deduction. It isn't worthless.
Torsten&Timm's theory (TTT) is "the VMS is a hoax". Their arguments are (A) the VMS has certain repetition patterns that are not seen in a set of other texts they examined, and ( B) they devised a probabilistic generator whose output is like Voynichese according to some statistics, including similar repetition patterns.
Pointing out that A&B does not imply TTT is a perfectly valid criticism of the TTT.
If you prefer in Bayes:
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Prob(A&B|TTT) * Prob(TTT)
Prob(TTT|A&B) = ------------------------------------------------------------
Prob(A&B|TTT)*Prob(TTT) + Prob(A&B|not TTT)*Prob(not TTT) If A is true then B is true too, because the kind of repetitions that were detected are such that the SCM (or many other methods) can generate them. So A&B in in fact equivalent to A.
The factor Prob(A&B|TTT) is therefore Prob(A|TTT), the probability that a hoax text will have the kind of repetitions that they detected. Not all hoax texts will have them. But let's be generous and say that Prob(A|TTT) = 0.5.
The term Prob(A&B|not TTT) is therefore Prob(A|not TTT), the probability that a non-hoax text will have the kind of repetitions that they detected. Let's be pessimistic and say that it is 0.01 (1%). Then
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0.5 * 0.0001 0.00005
Prob(TTT|A&B) = ----------------------------- =~ ----------- = 0.005 = 0.5%
0.5 * 0.0001 + 0.01 * 0.9999 0.01Said more simply: if one does not believe a priori that the VMS is a hoax, knowing A and B will not convince them.

