29-09-2016, 07:46 PM
(29-09-2016, 07:33 PM)-JKP- wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(29-09-2016, 07:28 PM)stellar wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Well I just broke tradition with my method these are the first phrases ever decoded from the Voynich Manuscript. I had to get into the mind of John Dee a bit for this and with my knowledge and History of the Voynich it looks pretty clear what happened. John Dee wanted a great deal of Gold or needed it so he fooled Rudolf II. Rudolf was a depressed King who perhaps was enchanted with Dee and maybe the text was like an anti-depressant or an escape from his melancholy.
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Actually, John Dee was being housed quite comfortably first by a prince, then by the emperor, and then by a count in his castle at the time he was in Rudolph's vicinity. His son remembers those years at the castle as happy years. Dee wasn't desperate for money. In fact he spent money quite liberally to get there and to get home again. It wasn't until later in his life that he was selling off his plate and that was long after he returned to England.
He was also a very pious man [and somewhat gullible] and genuinely believed in what he was trying to do. It would be out of character for him to try to dupe someone. Kelley (Talbot), on the other hand, was a scoundrel.
If you want to get into the mind of John Dee, maybe you should do some research first.
This may imply he needed money or was it greed?
Quote:In 1583, Dee met the visiting Polish nobleman Albert Łaski, who invited Dee to accompany him on his return to Poland. With some prompting by the angels, Dee was persuaded to go. Dee, Kelley, and their families left for the Continent in September 1583, but Łaski proved to be bankrupt and out of favour in his own country. Dee and Kelley began a nomadic life in Central Europe, but they continued their spiritual conferences, which Dee recorded meticulously. He had audiences with Emperor Rudolf II and King Stephen of Poland in which he chided them for their ungodliness and attempted to convince them of the importance of his angelic communications. He was not taken up by either monarch.
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There could have been a number of reasons he did it! Maybe he dislike King Rudolf II.
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