The "gallows" characters
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(13-09-2016, 12:35 AM)ThomasCoon wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(12-09-2016, 10:59 PM)-JKP- wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I am 100% sure that the Eva-q is based on the Latin 9 abbreviation, just as I am 100% sure that the j shapes are based on the Latin -ris and -cis shapes. I've mentioned this many times, blogged about it, and given visual examples as well.
  • In Latin -ris and -cis are drawn exactly the same as in the VMS.
  • In Latin, Eva-q is drawn exactly the same as in the VMS (as a 9 shape).
  • In Latin -ris and -cis are almost always at the ends of words. In the VMS, they are almost always at the ends of vords.
  • In Latin, Eva-q is sometimes at the beginning, occasionally in the middle, and frequently at the end. The VMS uses it exactly the same way.
  • In Latin, the descender on -ris and -cis are sometimes shorter. In the VMS they are sometimes shorter.
  • In Latin, Eva-q is sometimes in-line and sometimes superscripted, depending on scribe, language, and context. Same in the VMS. Usually in-line but you can find it superscripted.
There's really no doubt about their morphological origin. To a modern eye, the similarity between Latin "a" and "o" and the VMS glyphs is obvious. To a medieval paelographer, the similarity between Eva-q and Latin 9 is obvious.


What is not known is what they represent. In Latin -ris is a ligature combining "r" and the abbreviation for "is". In Voynichese, it could be a single letter or sound, an abbreviation, a marker, or something else. Borrowing a shape from Latin doesn't mean it means the same thing.

Those are all good points - many people have looked at the frequent 9 at the end and thought of Latin, because that would explain several Latin case endings: is, os, us, es. At the beginning of a word it could be the Latin prefix "con-/com-", and standing alone it would mean "cum" (the preposition "with"). I hope to God that the author didn't use this setup, and I REALLY hope he didn't mix languages (i.e. a German text with Latin abbreviations).


Hate to tell you this, but German/Italian/Spanish/French/English text with Latin abbreviations was normal in the 15th century.

The c and r shapes that have tails are also normal Latin abbreviations, although they are not used quite as frequently as -ris, -tis, -cis, con-/com-, -us/-um, and -rum shapes when applied to languages other than Latin.
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The "gallows" characters - by Anton - 24-12-2015, 12:40 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by david - 29-12-2015, 12:02 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Anton - 29-12-2015, 03:15 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by david - 29-12-2015, 10:03 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Anton - 29-12-2015, 11:17 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by david - 30-12-2015, 03:34 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Anton - 30-12-2015, 04:15 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by david - 30-12-2015, 06:57 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Anton - 30-12-2015, 10:52 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by david - 30-12-2015, 11:13 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Anton - 01-01-2016, 10:22 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by david - 02-01-2016, 10:24 AM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Anton - 02-01-2016, 02:42 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by -Job- - 01-02-2016, 08:28 AM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by ReneZ - 23-01-2016, 10:47 AM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Emma May Smith - 01-02-2016, 08:42 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by ReneZ - 03-02-2016, 12:19 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Emma May Smith - 03-02-2016, 08:18 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by -Job- - 04-02-2016, 10:56 AM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by ReneZ - 04-02-2016, 01:06 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by -Job- - 04-02-2016, 05:57 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by ReneZ - 04-02-2016, 06:14 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Emma May Smith - 04-02-2016, 08:09 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by -Job- - 05-02-2016, 10:22 AM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Emma May Smith - 05-02-2016, 06:28 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Sam G - 12-02-2016, 01:11 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by nickpelling - 12-02-2016, 05:50 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by -Job- - 18-02-2016, 05:41 AM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by ReneZ - 18-02-2016, 09:39 AM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by -Job- - 19-02-2016, 05:59 AM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Anton - 26-02-2016, 10:51 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Battler - 19-02-2016, 07:02 AM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by -Job- - 20-02-2016, 05:11 AM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Battler - 20-02-2016, 05:19 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Davidsch - 22-02-2016, 04:10 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by -Job- - 24-02-2016, 07:35 AM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Davidsch - 24-02-2016, 11:47 AM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by -Job- - 24-02-2016, 05:42 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Davidsch - 26-02-2016, 01:49 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by -Job- - 27-02-2016, 07:05 AM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Davidsch - 28-02-2016, 09:59 AM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by -JKP- - 28-02-2016, 02:25 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Anton - 25-03-2016, 11:56 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by ReneZ - 26-03-2016, 08:11 AM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Davidsch - 01-06-2016, 03:43 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by VViews - 01-06-2016, 04:58 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Anton - 01-06-2016, 04:53 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Davidsch - 14-06-2016, 11:12 AM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Wladimir D - 24-06-2016, 07:53 AM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Diane - 26-06-2016, 02:17 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by R. Sale - 26-06-2016, 07:36 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Anton - 12-09-2016, 04:03 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Emma May Smith - 12-09-2016, 04:37 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by ThomasCoon - 12-09-2016, 05:24 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Emma May Smith - 12-09-2016, 06:39 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by -JKP- - 12-09-2016, 10:59 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by ThomasCoon - 13-09-2016, 12:35 AM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by -JKP- - 13-09-2016, 12:40 AM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by ThomasCoon - 13-09-2016, 12:47 AM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Wladimir D - 12-09-2016, 05:17 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Anton - 12-09-2016, 09:14 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Wladimir D - 13-09-2016, 04:51 AM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Anton - 24-02-2017, 03:51 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Anton - 25-02-2017, 12:25 AM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Diane - 25-02-2017, 01:15 AM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Anton - 19-06-2017, 09:12 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by -JKP- - 19-06-2017, 09:55 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Anton - 19-06-2017, 10:24 PM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by -JKP- - 20-06-2017, 06:50 AM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Wladimir D - 20-06-2017, 05:36 AM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Anton - 20-06-2017, 10:14 AM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by -JKP- - 20-06-2017, 10:34 AM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by ReneZ - 20-06-2017, 10:44 AM
RE: The "gallows" characters - by Anton - 20-06-2017, 10:59 AM

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