Cribs in the Voynich MS
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(08-05-2023, 10:53 AM)ReneZ wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If the Voynich MS were a regular cipher from the late middle ages, even a relatively complicated one, then these cribs would have been extremely helpful.

Obviously this depends what one means by 'regular'. Personally, I don't think Voynichese is a regular cipher, but I am inclined to think it is related to regular ciphers from the late middle ages. By 'related' I mean that they fit part of a tradition, but could have deviated in a significant way which makes them look outwardly much more different than they are, but this is speculation.

I would agree that these cribs could be very helpful. I would hesitate to say 'extremely' helpful as from what I can tell they don't yet reach the gold standard of a clear one-to-one correspondence between Voynichese word and specific text. However they may well be a stepping stones to finding such a correspondence and so a very important step towards a gold standard crib.

(08-05-2023, 10:53 AM)ReneZ wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The "Umkehrschluss" is that the complete lack of success in using these cribs is just one more piece of evidence that the Voynich MS is not like a regular cipher.

It would be good to see an example of someone using these cribs.
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Cribs in the Voynich MS - by ReneZ - 07-05-2023, 11:01 AM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by bi3mw - 07-05-2023, 01:14 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by ReneZ - 07-05-2023, 01:33 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Koen G - 07-05-2023, 02:26 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Mark Knowles - 07-05-2023, 02:34 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Mark Knowles - 07-05-2023, 02:53 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Mark Knowles - 07-05-2023, 03:01 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Mark Knowles - 07-05-2023, 03:06 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Mark Knowles - 07-05-2023, 03:10 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by bi3mw - 07-05-2023, 04:18 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Mark Knowles - 07-05-2023, 06:33 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Mark Knowles - 07-05-2023, 06:39 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by R. Sale - 07-05-2023, 07:26 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Mark Knowles - 07-05-2023, 07:40 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Mark Knowles - 07-05-2023, 08:18 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by R. Sale - 07-05-2023, 09:08 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by ReneZ - 07-05-2023, 10:51 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Mark Knowles - 08-05-2023, 09:42 AM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Aga Tentakulus - 07-05-2023, 11:16 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by R. Sale - 08-05-2023, 12:02 AM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by ReneZ - 08-05-2023, 03:35 AM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Aga Tentakulus - 08-05-2023, 09:10 AM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Mark Knowles - 08-05-2023, 09:48 AM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Helmut Winkler - 08-05-2023, 09:52 AM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by nickpelling - 08-05-2023, 09:52 AM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Mark Knowles - 08-05-2023, 10:05 AM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Aga Tentakulus - 08-05-2023, 10:13 AM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Mark Knowles - 08-05-2023, 12:42 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by MichelleL11 - 08-05-2023, 02:17 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Mark Knowles - 08-05-2023, 02:53 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by ReneZ - 08-05-2023, 10:53 AM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Mark Knowles - 08-05-2023, 11:17 AM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by RenegadeHealer - 11-05-2023, 12:38 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Mark Knowles - 11-05-2023, 01:28 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Aga Tentakulus - 08-05-2023, 11:33 AM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Mark Knowles - 08-05-2023, 11:34 AM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Aga Tentakulus - 08-05-2023, 11:42 AM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Mark Knowles - 08-05-2023, 03:22 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Mark Knowles - 08-05-2023, 03:27 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by zobowiazanie - 08-05-2023, 03:55 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Mark Knowles - 08-05-2023, 04:05 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Mark Knowles - 08-05-2023, 04:24 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Mark Knowles - 09-05-2023, 11:57 AM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by obelus - 09-05-2023, 10:32 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Mark Knowles - 09-05-2023, 11:00 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Mark Knowles - 08-05-2023, 04:37 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by R. Sale - 08-05-2023, 06:05 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by ReneZ - 09-05-2023, 07:28 AM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Scarecrow - 09-05-2023, 12:41 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Emma May Smith - 09-05-2023, 06:39 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Mark Knowles - 10-05-2023, 12:02 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Mark Knowles - 11-05-2023, 09:49 AM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by ReneZ - 11-05-2023, 01:05 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Mark Knowles - 11-05-2023, 01:39 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by R. Sale - 11-05-2023, 06:04 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Mark Knowles - 11-05-2023, 06:09 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by R. Sale - 11-05-2023, 06:19 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Mark Knowles - 11-05-2023, 06:41 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by R. Sale - 11-05-2023, 10:51 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Koen G - 12-05-2023, 07:01 AM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by nablator - 12-05-2023, 09:15 AM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Mark Knowles - 12-05-2023, 06:04 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Mark Knowles - 12-05-2023, 06:36 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Mark Knowles - 12-05-2023, 08:42 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by zobowiazanie - 13-05-2023, 12:52 AM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Koen G - 13-05-2023, 09:43 AM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Mark Knowles - 13-05-2023, 09:58 AM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Aga Tentakulus - 13-05-2023, 01:47 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Aga Tentakulus - 13-05-2023, 02:14 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Aga Tentakulus - 13-05-2023, 02:32 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by R. Sale - 13-05-2023, 08:43 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by ReneZ - 14-05-2023, 04:44 AM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by MarcoP - 14-05-2023, 07:38 AM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by ThomasCoon - 05-06-2023, 02:44 AM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Koen G - 05-06-2023, 08:25 AM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by MarcoP - 05-06-2023, 10:14 AM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Yammon - 16-06-2023, 07:56 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Juan_Sali - 19-09-2023, 01:57 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Jorge_Stolfi - 28-01-2026, 07:42 AM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Jorge_Stolfi - 28-01-2026, 09:36 AM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Rafal - 28-01-2026, 01:34 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Jorge_Stolfi - 28-01-2026, 11:43 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Rafal - 29-01-2026, 12:30 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by oshfdk - 29-01-2026, 12:52 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Jorge_Stolfi - 29-01-2026, 02:43 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Rafal - 29-01-2026, 01:09 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by oshfdk - 29-01-2026, 01:18 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Rafal - 29-01-2026, 01:40 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Jorge_Stolfi - 29-01-2026, 02:51 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by oshfdk - 29-01-2026, 03:28 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Jorge_Stolfi - 29-01-2026, 03:43 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by oshfdk - 29-01-2026, 04:02 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Jorge_Stolfi - 29-01-2026, 04:21 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by oshfdk - 29-01-2026, 04:38 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by Jorge_Stolfi - 29-01-2026, 08:10 PM
RE: Cribs in the Voynich MS - by oshfdk - 30-01-2026, 11:14 AM

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