05-08-2022, 08:13 PM
nablator,
Hey, thanks, it's only been a year and a half, and you're the first one. So, this is where I posted all those links.
Margureite Porete is interesting, though a bit too early. Where were her books in 1400-1450? As a mystic and a female, of course she *was* heterodox. Can't have that. But how is that relevant? That doesn't mean that the VMs is heretical. Or that it is strictly orthodox, for that matter. There may not be a collection of prayers, but one or two would be nice, the Wreath of the Virgin, would indicate a connection to Mariology that was part of the C-14 era. Certainly, there are an increasing number of VMs illustrations where religious interpretations have been shown to be possible. One question is to what extent the artist (and the VMs in general) might be a promoter of religious ideology, or more of a reporter of events?
Furthermore, there is the issue of image ambiguity. Both a promoter and a reporter would prefer clear representations. The VMs is not clear by nature. And furthermore, it is not clear by intent. Establishing artistic trickery is difficult, but with a number of examples: cosmos, Melusine, White Aries; it becomes clearer. Clearer that trickery is there. Not any clearer as to why.
For me, these VMs pages are all reflective and representative of things that were current in the life of the VMs artist at a time that is closely tied to the C-14 dates. Colette fits in both time and place. She was a reformer, not an author. She ended up as a saint, rather than being executed.
Hey, thanks, it's only been a year and a half, and you're the first one. So, this is where I posted all those links.
Margureite Porete is interesting, though a bit too early. Where were her books in 1400-1450? As a mystic and a female, of course she *was* heterodox. Can't have that. But how is that relevant? That doesn't mean that the VMs is heretical. Or that it is strictly orthodox, for that matter. There may not be a collection of prayers, but one or two would be nice, the Wreath of the Virgin, would indicate a connection to Mariology that was part of the C-14 era. Certainly, there are an increasing number of VMs illustrations where religious interpretations have been shown to be possible. One question is to what extent the artist (and the VMs in general) might be a promoter of religious ideology, or more of a reporter of events?
Furthermore, there is the issue of image ambiguity. Both a promoter and a reporter would prefer clear representations. The VMs is not clear by nature. And furthermore, it is not clear by intent. Establishing artistic trickery is difficult, but with a number of examples: cosmos, Melusine, White Aries; it becomes clearer. Clearer that trickery is there. Not any clearer as to why.
For me, these VMs pages are all reflective and representative of things that were current in the life of the VMs artist at a time that is closely tied to the C-14 dates. Colette fits in both time and place. She was a reformer, not an author. She ended up as a saint, rather than being executed.