Linda et al.,
Those are some interesting examples, and new to me. It would help to know the what, when and where of those illustrations. Don's the one who has worked on the collection. He'll have to say what's what with the images.
How about putting this in the suggestion box, if both are willing? Why not have the Ninja Library open a gallery wing where Don and others can post images relevant to this discussion of nebuly lines?
Since Ellie's original comparison is with the d' Oresme cosmos illustration:
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The d' Oresme illustration therefore becomes the initial standard for comparison. And the d' Oresme illustration clearly shows an elaborated nebuly line much like that in Linda's first example. Her other examples have certain idiosyncrasies. The blue ring in the second illustration is a sort of hybrid that is bumpy on the outside and a smooth, single bulb on the inside. And look at those golden rayonny lines! And again there are rayonny lines in the third illustration, but we are not looking at these lines because they have not been identified in the Vms. We are looking at nebuly lines because they exist in the VMs illustrations.
The heart of the comparison is between the d' Oresme illustration and the nebuly band in the VMs Central Rosette. And also to look for similar artistry to see what it can tell us.
I have been more interested in heraldry from the VMs Pisces and Aries pages. As far as Don's 'geographical' pointers, heraldry contributes several things. First of all, there is heraldry, which is mainly central and western European. The VMs heraldry makes historical connections. And those connections refer to a history and tradition in the Catholic church that is almost two centuries old by the time the VMs parchment was produced. White Aries is 'toned-down' and tucked away representation of the Fieschi insignia and the cardinal's red galero.
Not only is there a connection to the Papacy of Innocent IV, which was mainly spent in Lyon, there is also an English connection to the late reign of Henry III. This is most clearly show by the heraldic example of concentric circles on VMs Pisces. This is a pattern called gurges, which is Latin for whirlpool. Circles were an early alternative that was soon superseded by a large spiral. Through heraldic canting, the design was adopted by the de Gorges family, who were of Norman descent in England in the reign of Henry III. And so far, this is something that has no alternative explanation. Furthermore, this and other things point to Devon and near Plymouth as I posted in the discussion of the semy of roundels.
The inclusion of rather obscure heraldic examples like papelonny and gurges, previously unrecognized, show the author's depth of knowledge in heraldry and regarding certain historical events and the capacity to use them for an intended purpose. However there are still significant difficulties in discerning the vantage point from which these perspectives were obtained.
Those are some interesting examples, and new to me. It would help to know the what, when and where of those illustrations. Don's the one who has worked on the collection. He'll have to say what's what with the images.
How about putting this in the suggestion box, if both are willing? Why not have the Ninja Library open a gallery wing where Don and others can post images relevant to this discussion of nebuly lines?
Since Ellie's original comparison is with the d' Oresme cosmos illustration:
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The d' Oresme illustration therefore becomes the initial standard for comparison. And the d' Oresme illustration clearly shows an elaborated nebuly line much like that in Linda's first example. Her other examples have certain idiosyncrasies. The blue ring in the second illustration is a sort of hybrid that is bumpy on the outside and a smooth, single bulb on the inside. And look at those golden rayonny lines! And again there are rayonny lines in the third illustration, but we are not looking at these lines because they have not been identified in the Vms. We are looking at nebuly lines because they exist in the VMs illustrations.
The heart of the comparison is between the d' Oresme illustration and the nebuly band in the VMs Central Rosette. And also to look for similar artistry to see what it can tell us.
I have been more interested in heraldry from the VMs Pisces and Aries pages. As far as Don's 'geographical' pointers, heraldry contributes several things. First of all, there is heraldry, which is mainly central and western European. The VMs heraldry makes historical connections. And those connections refer to a history and tradition in the Catholic church that is almost two centuries old by the time the VMs parchment was produced. White Aries is 'toned-down' and tucked away representation of the Fieschi insignia and the cardinal's red galero.
Not only is there a connection to the Papacy of Innocent IV, which was mainly spent in Lyon, there is also an English connection to the late reign of Henry III. This is most clearly show by the heraldic example of concentric circles on VMs Pisces. This is a pattern called gurges, which is Latin for whirlpool. Circles were an early alternative that was soon superseded by a large spiral. Through heraldic canting, the design was adopted by the de Gorges family, who were of Norman descent in England in the reign of Henry III. And so far, this is something that has no alternative explanation. Furthermore, this and other things point to Devon and near Plymouth as I posted in the discussion of the semy of roundels.
The inclusion of rather obscure heraldic examples like papelonny and gurges, previously unrecognized, show the author's depth of knowledge in heraldry and regarding certain historical events and the capacity to use them for an intended purpose. However there are still significant difficulties in discerning the vantage point from which these perspectives were obtained.
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