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(06-05-2021, 08:54 PM)geoffreycaveney wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(04-09-2020, 01:11 PM)-JKP- wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The first word is clearly written as "mallier" in the same style as the text on 116v. Look at the long approach stroke on the "i" and the angular "L". Same style as 116v.

I really think it is a mistake to change the letters to something else in order to try to turn them into proper sentences/phrases. Maybe they are NOT proper sentences.

JKP, I respect your analysis and judgment of the handwriting in reading the first word as "mallier", but at the same time it must also be noted that if it is at all possible to read the first vowel somehow as a misshapen "u" or "o", then it does become very natural to read the entire word as a Latin/Romance language word form meaning "woman", which fits the illustration quite well, as Koen pointed out in an earlier comment in this thread. Also, "mallier" does not look like an abbreviated word, it looks like a complete word, so how solid an interpretation does anyone have for "mallier" as opposed to "mullier"/"mollier"? Maybe the writer simply made a spelling mistake with that one letter?
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It cannot be a misshapen "o" (mollier) unless it is a significant mistake. It has a very clear serif. The letter "u" or "a" often had a serif, but never "o". The letter "u" would be strange also, since it would not be covered on the top. So, a proposal of "u" or "o" would have to be a spelling mistake rather than a misshapen letter.
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f17r - by Koen G - 26-03-2016, 10:30 PM
RE: f17r - by Anton - 26-03-2016, 11:25 PM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 27-03-2016, 05:09 AM
RE: f17r - by Koen G - 26-03-2016, 11:45 PM
RE: f17r - by Anton - 27-03-2016, 12:11 AM
RE: f17r - by EllieV - 27-03-2016, 01:05 AM
RE: f17r - by Koen G - 27-03-2016, 05:22 AM
RE: f17r - by MarcoP - 27-03-2016, 10:56 AM
RE: f17r - by EllieV - 27-03-2016, 05:21 PM
RE: f17r - by Koen G - 27-03-2016, 11:18 AM
RE: f17r - by ReneZ - 27-03-2016, 11:42 AM
RE: f17r - by Diane - 27-03-2016, 03:03 PM
RE: f17r - by Anton - 27-03-2016, 03:03 PM
RE: f17r - by Koen G - 27-03-2016, 04:52 PM
RE: f17r - by Anton - 27-03-2016, 05:01 PM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 27-03-2016, 10:24 PM
RE: f17r - by david - 27-03-2016, 06:04 PM
RE: f17r - by MarcoP - 27-03-2016, 06:31 PM
RE: f17r - by Anton - 27-03-2016, 07:20 PM
RE: f17r - by MarcoP - 27-03-2016, 07:44 PM
RE: f17r - by Koen G - 27-03-2016, 07:22 PM
RE: f17r - by Anton - 27-03-2016, 08:59 PM
RE: f17r - by MarcoP - 27-03-2016, 09:27 PM
RE: f17r - by davidjackson - 27-03-2016, 09:09 PM
RE: f17r - by Anton - 27-03-2016, 09:11 PM
RE: f17r - by davidjackson - 27-03-2016, 09:30 PM
RE: f17r - by Anton - 27-03-2016, 09:34 PM
RE: f17r - by davidjackson - 27-03-2016, 09:49 PM
RE: f17r - by Anton - 27-03-2016, 09:49 PM
RE: f17r - by Koen G - 27-03-2016, 09:51 PM
RE: f17r - by davidjackson - 28-03-2016, 10:24 AM
RE: f17r - by MarcoP - 28-03-2016, 10:57 AM
RE: f17r - by Anton - 28-03-2016, 03:57 PM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 28-03-2016, 10:31 PM
RE: f17r - by Anton - 28-03-2016, 05:07 PM
RE: f17r - by Davidsch - 28-03-2016, 10:28 PM
RE: f17r - by Anton - 28-03-2016, 10:31 PM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 29-03-2016, 02:10 AM
RE: f17r - by Koen G - 28-03-2016, 10:37 PM
RE: f17r - by Anton - 29-03-2016, 12:04 PM
RE: f17r - by Davidsch - 29-03-2016, 02:24 PM
RE: f17r - by Anton - 29-03-2016, 03:25 PM
RE: f17r - by Davidsch - 30-03-2016, 01:07 PM
RE: f17r - by Anton - 30-03-2016, 06:25 PM
RE: f17r - by Searcher - 06-09-2016, 11:11 PM
RE: f17r - by julian - 30-09-2016, 02:05 AM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 30-09-2016, 04:24 AM
RE: f17r - by Searcher - 30-09-2016, 04:47 PM
RE: f17r - by julian - 01-10-2016, 12:50 AM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 01-10-2016, 01:41 AM
RE: f17r - by ThomasCoon - 01-10-2016, 02:30 AM
RE: f17r - by Anton - 24-08-2017, 09:31 PM
RE: f17r - by MarcoP - 25-08-2017, 01:11 AM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 25-08-2017, 01:41 AM
RE: f17r - by Anton - 24-08-2017, 09:55 PM
RE: f17r - by Koen G - 24-08-2017, 09:59 PM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 24-08-2017, 10:22 PM
RE: f17r - by Anton - 24-08-2017, 10:02 PM
RE: f17r - by Helmut Winkler - 25-08-2017, 08:43 AM
RE: f17r - by MarcoP - 25-08-2017, 12:58 PM
RE: f17r - by Anton - 25-08-2017, 01:36 PM
RE: f17r - by Helmut Winkler - 25-08-2017, 05:07 PM
RE: f17r - by Searcher - 25-08-2017, 07:14 PM
RE: f17r - by Anton - 25-08-2017, 08:23 PM
RE: f17r - by Paris - 28-08-2017, 01:24 PM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 28-08-2017, 02:51 PM
RE: f17r - by Anton - 28-08-2017, 03:58 PM
RE: f17r - by Paris - 17-10-2017, 03:05 PM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 12-09-2018, 02:30 PM
RE: f17r - by Searcher - 12-09-2018, 08:34 PM
RE: f17r - by Koen G - 12-09-2018, 03:21 PM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 12-09-2018, 09:35 PM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 12-09-2018, 09:58 PM
RE: f17r - by Koen G - 12-09-2018, 10:22 PM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 12-09-2018, 10:35 PM
RE: f17r - by Anton - 13-09-2018, 04:52 PM
RE: f17r - by Helmut Winkler - 13-09-2018, 05:47 PM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 13-09-2018, 11:02 PM
RE: f17r - by Koen G - 13-09-2018, 06:12 PM
RE: f17r - by Anton - 13-09-2018, 09:27 PM
RE: f17r - by Paris - 14-09-2018, 03:23 PM
RE: f17r - by Koen G - 14-09-2018, 03:35 AM
RE: f17r - by Anton - 14-09-2018, 01:52 PM
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RE: f17r - by Anton - 14-09-2018, 03:05 PM
RE: f17r - by Anton - 14-09-2018, 03:53 PM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 14-09-2018, 10:38 PM
RE: f17r - by Anton - 14-09-2018, 11:59 PM
RE: f17r - by Searcher - 15-09-2018, 03:08 PM
RE: f17r - by MarcoP - 15-09-2018, 08:36 PM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 15-09-2018, 11:35 PM
RE: f17r - by Searcher - 15-09-2018, 04:17 PM
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RE: f17r - by Anton - 15-09-2018, 11:57 PM
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RE: f17r - by Searcher - 16-09-2018, 12:00 AM
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RE: f17r - by Anton - 16-09-2018, 12:10 AM
RE: f17r - by MarcoP - 16-09-2018, 11:37 AM
RE: f17r - by Paris - 17-09-2018, 08:12 PM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 18-09-2018, 12:29 AM
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RE: f17r - by Anton - 16-09-2018, 05:42 PM
RE: f17r - by Anton - 16-09-2018, 06:18 PM
RE: f17r - by bi3mw - 16-09-2018, 06:35 PM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 16-09-2018, 11:18 PM
RE: f17r - by MarcoP - 16-09-2018, 06:46 PM
RE: f17r - by Anton - 16-09-2018, 11:58 PM
RE: f17r - by Searcher - 17-09-2018, 01:12 PM
RE: f17r - by Koen G - 17-09-2018, 03:44 PM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 17-09-2018, 02:28 PM
RE: f17r - by Koen G - 17-09-2018, 04:05 PM
RE: f17r - by Searcher - 17-09-2018, 04:58 PM
RE: f17r - by Searcher - 17-09-2018, 05:17 PM
RE: f17r - by Koen G - 17-09-2018, 05:18 PM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 18-09-2018, 12:44 AM
RE: f17r - by Diane - 04-10-2018, 05:30 AM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 04-10-2018, 06:07 AM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 04-10-2018, 06:11 AM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 04-10-2018, 06:18 AM
RE: f17r - by Diane - 05-10-2018, 05:26 PM
RE: f17r - by Koen G - 05-10-2018, 07:20 PM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 06-10-2018, 12:35 AM
RE: f17r - by Diane - 10-10-2018, 12:52 PM
RE: f17r - by Koen G - 10-10-2018, 02:52 PM
RE: f17r - by Paris - 10-10-2018, 07:01 PM
RE: f17r - by Koen G - 10-10-2018, 07:39 PM
RE: f17r - by ReneZ - 10-10-2018, 07:32 PM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 10-10-2018, 07:47 PM
RE: f17r - by nickpelling - 16-10-2018, 07:01 PM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 25-11-2018, 12:14 AM
RE: f17r - by Koen G - 25-11-2018, 12:38 AM
RE: f17r - by davidjackson - 25-11-2018, 08:32 AM
RE: f17r - by Helmut Winkler - 25-11-2018, 10:03 AM
RE: f17r - by davidjackson - 25-11-2018, 12:34 PM
RE: f17r - by Helmut Winkler - 25-11-2018, 03:03 PM
RE: f17r - by Koen G - 25-11-2018, 02:57 PM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 25-11-2018, 09:15 PM
RE: f17r - by ReneZ - 01-12-2018, 10:33 AM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 01-12-2018, 12:49 PM
RE: f17r - by Koen G - 01-12-2018, 01:01 PM
RE: f17r - by Helmut Winkler - 01-12-2018, 04:57 PM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 01-12-2018, 05:28 PM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 02-12-2018, 03:46 AM
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RE: f17r - by geoffreycaveney - 06-05-2021, 08:54 PM
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RE: f17r - by geoffreycaveney - 06-05-2021, 11:03 PM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 06-05-2021, 01:43 PM
RE: f17r - by Aga Tentakulus - 06-05-2021, 02:35 PM
RE: f17r - by ReneZ - 06-05-2021, 02:38 PM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 06-05-2021, 02:45 PM
RE: f17r - by Aga Tentakulus - 06-05-2021, 02:52 PM
RE: f17r - by ReneZ - 06-05-2021, 03:28 PM
RE: f17r - by Aga Tentakulus - 07-05-2021, 11:59 PM
RE: f17r - by Aga Tentakulus - 06-05-2021, 10:39 PM
RE: f17r - by geoffreycaveney - 06-05-2021, 10:45 PM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 06-05-2021, 11:10 PM
RE: f17r - by geoffreycaveney - 06-05-2021, 11:28 PM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 06-05-2021, 11:53 PM
RE: f17r - by geoffreycaveney - 06-05-2021, 11:49 PM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 07-05-2021, 12:57 AM
RE: f17r - by geoffreycaveney - 07-05-2021, 02:03 AM
RE: f17r - by Koen G - 06-05-2021, 11:26 PM
RE: f17r - by geoffreycaveney - 06-05-2021, 11:42 PM
RE: f17r - by Koen G - 07-05-2021, 10:55 AM
RE: f17r - by nablator - 07-05-2021, 11:25 AM
RE: f17r - by geoffreycaveney - 07-05-2021, 02:01 PM
RE: f17r - by nablator - 07-05-2021, 02:39 PM
RE: f17r - by Aga Tentakulus - 07-05-2021, 12:02 AM
RE: f17r - by Searcher - 07-05-2021, 08:33 AM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 07-05-2021, 09:23 AM
RE: f17r - by -JKP- - 07-05-2021, 06:57 PM
RE: f17r - by nablator - 07-05-2021, 08:48 PM
RE: f17r - by Koen G - 07-05-2021, 07:09 PM
RE: f17r - by Aga Tentakulus - 07-05-2021, 08:09 PM
RE: f17r - by nablator - 07-05-2021, 08:53 PM
RE: f17r - by Aga Tentakulus - 07-05-2021, 09:37 PM
RE: f17r - by Anton - 07-05-2021, 10:10 PM
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RE: f17r - by Anton - 07-05-2021, 10:44 PM
RE: f17r - by Aga Tentakulus - 07-05-2021, 11:02 PM
RE: f17r - by Aga Tentakulus - 07-05-2021, 11:19 PM
RE: f17r - by Koen G - 08-05-2021, 12:42 AM
RE: f17r - by geoffreycaveney - 08-05-2021, 12:46 AM
RE: f17r - by Scarecrow - 08-05-2021, 08:51 AM
RE: f17r - by Aga Tentakulus - 08-05-2021, 01:26 AM
RE: f17r - by bi3mw - 08-05-2021, 08:01 AM
RE: f17r - by Helmut Winkler - 08-05-2021, 02:39 PM
RE: f17r - by nickpelling - 08-05-2021, 04:51 PM
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RE: f17r - by Koen G - 08-05-2021, 10:37 AM
RE: f17r - by Scarecrow - 08-05-2021, 10:57 AM
RE: f17r - by Anton - 08-05-2021, 01:54 PM
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RE: f17r - by Koen G - 01-08-2025, 08:53 PM
RE: f17r - by Stefan Wirtz_2 - 01-08-2025, 11:49 PM
RE: f17r - by Koen G - 02-08-2025, 08:32 AM
RE: f17r - by Stefan Wirtz_2 - 02-08-2025, 11:21 PM
RE: f17r - by Aga Tentakulus - 02-08-2025, 05:52 PM
RE: f17r - by Aga Tentakulus - 02-08-2025, 09:22 PM
RE: f17r - by Koen G - 02-08-2025, 09:54 PM
RE: f17r - by Aga Tentakulus - 02-08-2025, 10:18 PM
RE: f17r - by Searcher - 02-08-2025, 10:31 PM
RE: f17r - by Petrasti - 10-08-2025, 08:32 PM
RE: f17r - by davidma - 10-10-2025, 07:11 PM
RE: f17r - by Aga Tentakulus - 11-10-2025, 09:06 AM
RE: f17r - by Koen G - 11-10-2025, 11:00 AM
RE: f17r - by Skoove - 01-11-2025, 03:41 AM
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RE: f17r - by JoJo_Jost - 02-11-2025, 09:48 AM
RE: f17r - by Koen G - 02-11-2025, 05:21 PM
RE: f17r - by Bernd - 02-11-2025, 09:33 PM
RE: f17r - by Koen G - 02-11-2025, 10:54 PM
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RE: f17r - by Koen G - 03-11-2025, 08:50 PM
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RE: f17r - by Koen G - 04-11-2025, 03:35 PM
RE: f17r - by JoJo_Jost - 04-11-2025, 07:02 PM
RE: f17r - by Koen G - 04-11-2025, 07:40 PM
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RE: f17r - by Jorge_Stolfi - 11-11-2025, 03:26 AM
RE: f17r - by Jorge_Stolfi - 11-11-2025, 02:59 AM
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RE: f17r - by Jorge_Stolfi - 11-11-2025, 09:03 AM
RE: f17r - by JoJo_Jost - 11-11-2025, 10:57 AM
RE: f17r - by Jorge_Stolfi - 11-11-2025, 11:29 AM
RE: f17r - by JoJo_Jost - 11-11-2025, 06:13 PM
RE: f17r - by Bernd - 11-11-2025, 06:40 PM
RE: f17r - by JoJo_Jost - 11-11-2025, 07:15 PM
RE: f17r - by Jorge_Stolfi - 11-11-2025, 09:32 PM
RE: f17r - by JoJo_Jost - 12-11-2025, 06:43 AM
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RE: f17r - by Jorge_Stolfi - 12-11-2025, 10:52 PM
RE: f17r - by JoJo_Jost - 12-11-2025, 02:28 PM
RE: f17r - by oshfdk - 12-11-2025, 02:59 PM
RE: f17r - by Bernd - 12-11-2025, 11:00 PM
RE: f17r - by nablator - 12-11-2025, 11:13 PM
RE: f17r - by oshfdk - 12-11-2025, 11:27 PM
RE: f17r - by Jorge_Stolfi - 13-11-2025, 12:31 AM
RE: f17r - by Bernd - 12-11-2025, 11:21 PM
RE: f17r - by JoJo_Jost - 17-11-2025, 11:02 AM
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RE: f17r - by Jorge_Stolfi - 18-11-2025, 03:25 PM
RE: f17r - by Doireannjane - 19-11-2025, 08:04 AM
RE: f17r - by Koen G - 18-11-2025, 02:28 PM
RE: f17r - by Bluetoes101 - 18-11-2025, 03:39 PM
RE: f17r - by Jorge_Stolfi - 18-11-2025, 04:32 PM
RE: f17r - by Bluetoes101 - 18-11-2025, 05:00 PM
RE: f17r - by Doireannjane - 19-11-2025, 06:53 AM
RE: f17r - by JoJo_Jost - 19-11-2025, 07:29 AM
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RE: f17r - by Doireannjane - 19-11-2025, 08:48 AM
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