04-01-2021, 06:58 PM
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(04-01-2021, 03:48 PM)Koen G wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Searcher wrote:It seems to me that all information should be more holistic, not fragmentaryTo be fair, if anyone had a viable holistic solution, we wouldn't be having these discussions. I think all researchers may agree on one thing: we cannot completely link Q13 to anything else we know.
Generallly, I think a viable holistic solution won't come (or won't be accepted) until the text is deciphered.
Quote:I believe what binds these pages is an artificial layering of narratives. But if you ask me "what is Q13a?" I will not say "narratives"; I will say: an exercise in intentionally synthesizing information from unrelated domains. The word "exercise" should be taken in the broad sense: a personal project, or a literal exercise given in an educational context. Made for personal use or to share with others, I don't know, and it doesn't matter much right now.
Koen, I understand your arguments. The most of researchers base their judge on some existing examples and compare them to the VMs picture. But when you say that (just for example) "We may suspect kinship with the alchemical tradition, but again it is not the same, and any parallels are fragmentary" or "We may see hints of Balneis, but it is not the same, and there are indications against it. Q13b is probably the best superficial match here, but Q13a takes an entirely different turn", you must confess that "an exercise in intentionally synthesizing information from unrelated domains" looks also unusual. If this is a personal project, why can't it be a personal project of alchemical description or balneological one?
Quote:Pressed for a more holistic explanation, I would say each figure (nymph) represents a point where two or three narratives meet. The nymph with the "Thing" at the top of this folio represents the Bear constellation itself (1), which sits at the "spindle" of the celestial sphere, the highest point of the sky, providing a guiding light for mariners. But also Callisto, who was turned into this very constellation (2). But now I think the religious layer here is Genesis, so this is also the point where "God's spirit" starts separating zones in the world underneath, and says: let there be light. (3)
Yes, detail is our all. Pay attention also that all the ring-like objects always accompany such noticeable Q13 objects as the "cross" and the so-called "spindle": You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. I lead to a thought that if "The nymph with the "Thing" at the top of this folio represents the Bear constellation [or Callisto] [light?]", it must be the same on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. . I think that appearing of those objects on the same page and, even, scene definitely gives us to understand that they are connected somehow, despite a little change of a scene.
And don't forget about the water. It is an important detail, that's why I think the alchemical context is likely. It rather can unite alchemical processes with astrology, myths and with physiological processes of an organism.

