01-10-2020, 10:34 PM
(This post was last modified: 01-10-2020, 11:15 PM by Voynichgibberish.)
Dear Emma May Smith,
Your idea regarding using labels as a tools to find out the possibility of "word order" struck me as a brilliant idea. I wanted to run this passed you even though I'm headed there anyway. I guess I just want your thoughts.
Over at the voynichese website I scanned in only six labels that returned over 13 hits per word instead of the 1-3 return as I know labels are for the most part rare in the manuscript not being highly used words. So some of the labels I found had a count of 86 that was for "otol" and "oeor" had a count of 31. Anyway I figure I would use the highly occurring labels and look at the adjacent vords in the text which are either to the left or the right of that label.
I will record every vord left and right of the label. What I'll be looking for is a pattern or a reoccurring frequency of vords that might occur again to the left and right for these labels. Maybe more often a vord will be on the left or right of the label, I don't know yet. If so this could tell us if the vord is either a verb or object. To me this is really all we have, because a label most often really should be a noun I agree. I know this is a crude method, but I cannot think of a better way yet.
Also a way we could determine if the text is of "free word order" the same vords which equally appear to the right and left of these labels could suggest a relaxed (VSO) pointing towards "free word order".
Once again this is a very crude method.
Your thoughts an here are the labels
okeor (22)
otor (46)
otol (86)
oeor(31)
ockhy(13)
air (74) lol just hunch could be for Sol or Sun
Quote:Word classes could be used to model head directionality, as given enough text certain word class sequences should predominate. But it would require an input as to the identity of those word classes. For example, we might be able to say, "if [daiin] is a noun then the language is head-final and maybe has an SOV word order." Or, more practically, "if labels are nouns then ... and ... ."
Your idea regarding using labels as a tools to find out the possibility of "word order" struck me as a brilliant idea. I wanted to run this passed you even though I'm headed there anyway. I guess I just want your thoughts.
Over at the voynichese website I scanned in only six labels that returned over 13 hits per word instead of the 1-3 return as I know labels are for the most part rare in the manuscript not being highly used words. So some of the labels I found had a count of 86 that was for "otol" and "oeor" had a count of 31. Anyway I figure I would use the highly occurring labels and look at the adjacent vords in the text which are either to the left or the right of that label.
I will record every vord left and right of the label. What I'll be looking for is a pattern or a reoccurring frequency of vords that might occur again to the left and right for these labels. Maybe more often a vord will be on the left or right of the label, I don't know yet. If so this could tell us if the vord is either a verb or object. To me this is really all we have, because a label most often really should be a noun I agree. I know this is a crude method, but I cannot think of a better way yet.
Also a way we could determine if the text is of "free word order" the same vords which equally appear to the right and left of these labels could suggest a relaxed (VSO) pointing towards "free word order".
Once again this is a very crude method.
Your thoughts an here are the labels
okeor (22)
otor (46)
otol (86)
oeor(31)
ockhy(13)
air (74) lol just hunch could be for Sol or Sun