29-04-2020, 09:29 AM
(28-04-2020, 11:55 PM)Koen G wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Something I did not study in detail yet is what exactly the difference is between Voynich text without spaces and "normal" text without spaces. If you eliminate EVA-related issues like -iin, then removing spaces tackles a lot of your remaining problems.
This approach is only "legal" though if you assume that spaces were used in an artificial way that decreases entropy.
Hi Koen,
I am glad to see you continue this interesting line of investigation!
I made a simple experiment with two language texts (Italian=Machiavelli and Latin=Pliny) and two Voynch sections (Herbal A and Bio/Q13), each using two different transliterations (Currier and EVA). I may have made errors, so I think it would help if someone could double check.
_TEXT__ sp_c.h1 sp_b.h sp_cnd sp_cnd/h1 | nosp_c.h1 nosp_b.h nosp_cnd nosp_cnd/h1
_HA_Cur 3.787 6.319 2.531 0.668 | 3.911 6.607 2.696 0.689
Q13_Cur 3.725 5.735 2.010 0.540 | 3.752 5.862 2.109 0.562
_HA_EVA 3.790 5.980 2.190 0.578 | 3.815 6.063 2.248 0.589
Q13_EVA 3.805 5.672 1.867 0.491 | 3.805 5.740 1.936 0.509
machiav 3.935 7.034 3.098 0.787 | 3.982 7.298 3.316 0.833
_pliny_ 4.013 7.379 3.367 0.839 | 4.003 7.506 3.504 0.875
The first four numbers in each row are for the original file, while the last four are for the no-space version.
cnd/h1 is the ratio between conditional entropy and character entropy: the measure you are referring to, I think.
Removing spaces always results in a considerable increase in entropy. In the case of Italian and Latin this could be due to two reasons:
1. there is a certain correlation between characters and spaces that results in frequent bigrams (e.g. Italian words often end with a vowel, Latin words often end with -s). By removing these frequent space-bigrams, you increase bigram entropy (b.h in the table).
2. removing spaces creates new bigrams that are very rare or absent in the original. For instance, 'ee' in Italian:
nuoveecomeebbeamicizieesoldati
nuove e come ebbe amicizie e soldati
This is again an increase in bigram entropy.
I believe that, if you go this way, using space-less language texts as a benchmark would make things "legal".


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