Mark Knowles' theories of pharma and other labels
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(03-04-2020, 09:40 AM)Aga Tentakulus wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.@Marco
As I understand it, you come from near Bergamo.
The text does not come so far from your region. ( three languages , german, italian, romanic italian )
Question: Can you understand it ?

Al â le corp de bisca...

Hi Peter,
I am from Milan and I understand about 80% of the Ladin tale. Its relationship with pharma labels, Mark's theories, cipher systems or even Bergamo totally escapes me.

(03-04-2020, 12:23 PM)Mark Knowles wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You might want to add to your list ... the relevant point should be ... you might want to have a row ... You could amend your Row...

As I said, I understand that the list is subjective. I was trying to answer your question about my very personal point of view. Feel free to modify the list in any way that you see fit.
I will try to further clarify my opinion by answering a few of your questions:

(03-04-2020, 12:23 PM)Mark Knowles wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.There is significantly more in common in character sets with the Voynich than the other historical examples that you listed. This is not just the "4o", but there are a number of other glyphs.

I don't know which character sets you are talking about. The diplomatic cipher published by Domnina contains about 80 different symbols, but "4o" is not one of them. I know that there are hundreds of diplomatic ciphers produced through several decades, each with many characters, so the total number of symbols is huge, but I think that Domnina's short text is the only example of an enciphered diplomatic text I have seen: I must refer to it when discussing the result of diplomatic encryption.

(03-04-2020, 12:57 PM)Mark Knowles wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It would also be useful knowing how specifically you define "Reduplication" and "Quasi-reduplication".

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(03-04-2020, 02:04 PM)Mark Knowles wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Can you be more specific about what exactly you mean by the term "line effects"?

See what Currier wrote in the paragraph The Line Is a Functional Entity (pg.5)
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(03-04-2020, 12:57 PM)Mark Knowles wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I don't understand what you mean by "words exhibit structure" in the context of Fontana's enciphered work.

Obviously, in this case the structure one sees in the cipher-text is the same structure that one can see in a plain Latin text. It is not too difficult to spot a few patterns. For instance, in Secretum 100v, one can see that the two symbols 'o' and '8' tend to appear consecutively as either o8 or 8o, with -o8 often being word-final. Also, only a few symbols can be repeated consecutively and 88 is one such sequence (see attached image).
This word exemplifies both o8 and 88.

   

One could almost say that the word 'pisscis' looks like qoddaod, but honestly I don't think this is terribly significant. Anyway, I'd be curious to know if similar words can be seen in diplomatic documents?


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RE: [split] Mark Knowles' theories - by Koen G - 01-04-2020, 07:28 AM
RE: [split] Mark Knowles' theories - by ReneZ - 01-04-2020, 11:56 AM
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RE: [split] Mark Knowles' theories - by -JKP- - 02-04-2020, 03:15 AM
RE: Mark Knowles theories' of pharma and other labels - by MarcoP - 03-04-2020, 03:01 PM

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