We drifted away from discussing Matching “pharma” / “small plants” labels in context. I suggest moving posts from #26 onwards to a new Mark Knowles' theories thread.
You seem to be quoting You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 's conclusions:
Timm and Schinner correctly describe the idea of some meaning hidden within largely meaningless text as "steganography", while you blur the argument with terms like "diplomatic ciphers" (which, as you say, are different) and "homophones" (which, as JKP wrote, are not compatible with the structure of Voynichese).
I suggest you amend your terminology, replacing "diplomatic cipher" with "steganography", and quote Timm and Schinner, so that people can read a well-defined example of the techniques you are interested in. Also, you should make clear if you have anything constructive to add to their work, e.g. a different system producing something even closer to Voynichese, or a simpler system resulting in comparable results, or the details of how steganography could work in this context.
I am not sure who you are talking about: when reporting the opinions of others it's better to be specific and include references. As far as I know, options are only excluded by delusional solvers, e.g. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.: "the manuscript is not written in code at all". Such statements can be safely ignored.
(01-04-2020, 01:44 AM)Mark Knowles wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The idea of a preponderance of null words i.e. filler text is something I have also addressed elsewhere. I am not yet persuaded by the idea that all the text is meaningless, but I find the idea that there is a significant amount of filler text hard to avoid.
You seem to be quoting You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 's conclusions:
Timm&Schinner' wrote:The proposed text generation method is not only supported by many details of self-similarities uncovered in the VMS text, and is fully compatible with the historical background, but also even quantitatively reproduces the key statistical properties. In particular, we were able to demonstrate that our sample “facsimile” text fulfills both of Zipf’s laws. Following Occam’s principle, this theory provides the optimal hypothesis available to explain all facts currently known about the VMS. It, however, does not totally dismiss the steganography hypothesis
Timm and Schinner correctly describe the idea of some meaning hidden within largely meaningless text as "steganography", while you blur the argument with terms like "diplomatic ciphers" (which, as you say, are different) and "homophones" (which, as JKP wrote, are not compatible with the structure of Voynichese).
I suggest you amend your terminology, replacing "diplomatic cipher" with "steganography", and quote Timm and Schinner, so that people can read a well-defined example of the techniques you are interested in. Also, you should make clear if you have anything constructive to add to their work, e.g. a different system producing something even closer to Voynichese, or a simpler system resulting in comparable results, or the details of how steganography could work in this context.
(01-04-2020, 01:44 AM)Mark Knowles wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.it is said that [the Voynich] cannot be a cipher
I am not sure who you are talking about: when reporting the opinions of others it's better to be specific and include references. As far as I know, options are only excluded by delusional solvers, e.g. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.: "the manuscript is not written in code at all". Such statements can be safely ignored.


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