More cleartext in the MS?
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(22-01-2020, 07:28 AM)ReneZ wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.This has been mentioned before, but I am not sure if it was in this forum.

On f68r2 there is a moon with a face near the top and a sun with a face near the bottom.
Both have circular texts around them. For the bottom one, there is one word, between 08:00 and 09:00, that does not look like Voynichese writing, but like cleartext. However, it is not all that easy to read.

Who can make anything of this?

EDIT: does it say 'sond' ? Could this be some dialect version of 'Sonne' (German for Sun)?

Here's what I see...

First part:

okey okoaiin okol o ky oeeeo r okey okeeo l c eeo (this last one should be joined but not so it looks like ch, rather it looks like long-cee followed by tight-cc) or it might be aeey or aeeo (the tail might be faded and the "a" is sometimes written without the bottom joined, sorry, I can't write half-spaces in this editor) then a or o and then

Mystery token:

s*na or f*na or  s*ma, or s*ms, or sinia or fima or some combination of these.


  • The first char looks like long-ess or long-eff.
  • The second-one indecipherable UNLESS that emphasized dot on the end of the long-ess is actually the dot on an "i".
  • Then something that looks like "m" or "n" (can't tell because of the blob) OR if it is an i with a long leading-serif, then it might even be "f*nia" or "s*nia". Note that the 116v text has "i" with a long-leading serif.
  • Then double-story "a" or final-ess (final-ess often resembles double-story "a" in some scripts). It's too small to be "d" or the number 8.



I think the folio to the left of this one, with moon on the bottom, has ol 9° 9 on the bottom right, which would usually be a date (e.g., 1404, 9th of 9). Note how the tails of the 9 characters are curled. Some scribes specifically wrote numbers with more of a curled tail to distinguish them from "g" or the "9" abbreviation char.


Edit [addition]: I just realized something else. That second-last letter, if it is a Latin letter, could also be a hump-shaped "r". Many scribes used both kinds of "r".
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More cleartext in the MS? - by ReneZ - 22-01-2020, 07:28 AM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by VViews - 22-01-2020, 09:13 AM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by Koen G - 22-01-2020, 09:17 AM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by Aga Tentakulus - 22-01-2020, 09:25 AM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by Paris - 22-01-2020, 09:27 AM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by Searcher - 22-01-2020, 01:24 PM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by Aga Tentakulus - 22-01-2020, 09:28 AM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by -JKP- - 22-01-2020, 09:34 AM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by Koen G - 22-01-2020, 10:03 AM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by Scarecrow - 22-01-2020, 10:12 AM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by -JKP- - 22-01-2020, 10:15 AM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by Koen G - 22-01-2020, 10:34 AM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by VViews - 11-03-2020, 02:58 AM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by -JKP- - 22-01-2020, 10:35 AM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by Anton - 22-01-2020, 11:17 AM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by -JKP- - 22-01-2020, 11:53 AM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by Helmut Winkler - 22-01-2020, 11:26 AM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by Anton - 22-01-2020, 12:08 PM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by -JKP- - 22-01-2020, 12:10 PM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by Scarecrow - 22-01-2020, 12:17 PM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by -JKP- - 22-01-2020, 12:17 PM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by Anton - 22-01-2020, 12:51 PM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by -JKP- - 22-01-2020, 01:17 PM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by -JKP- - 22-01-2020, 01:21 PM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by Aga Tentakulus - 22-01-2020, 02:00 PM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by Anton - 22-01-2020, 02:07 PM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by -JKP- - 22-01-2020, 02:41 PM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by Anton - 22-01-2020, 02:59 PM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by Koen G - 22-01-2020, 03:26 PM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by Anton - 22-01-2020, 03:38 PM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by -JKP- - 22-01-2020, 03:45 PM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by davidjackson - 22-01-2020, 03:49 PM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by -JKP- - 22-01-2020, 04:18 PM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by Koen G - 22-01-2020, 03:50 PM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by Anton - 22-01-2020, 04:37 PM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by Anton - 22-01-2020, 04:46 PM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by Helmut Winkler - 22-01-2020, 04:58 PM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by Wladimir D - 22-01-2020, 06:26 PM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by davidjackson - 22-01-2020, 06:55 PM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by -JKP- - 22-01-2020, 11:39 PM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by Koen G - 23-01-2020, 12:01 AM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by -JKP- - 23-01-2020, 12:05 AM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by Koen G - 23-01-2020, 12:09 AM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by -JKP- - 23-01-2020, 12:14 AM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by -JKP- - 23-01-2020, 04:29 AM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by Koen G - 23-01-2020, 09:33 AM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by DONJCH - 23-01-2020, 09:42 AM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by caitlin_B200 - 31-01-2020, 01:23 PM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by -JKP- - 31-01-2020, 01:51 PM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by davidjackson - 11-03-2020, 07:08 AM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by Koen G - 11-03-2020, 07:57 AM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by davidjackson - 11-03-2020, 10:00 AM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by -JKP- - 11-03-2020, 10:08 AM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by oshfdk - 19-03-2025, 07:39 PM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by BessAgritianin - 20-03-2025, 07:15 AM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by Koen G - 20-03-2025, 11:25 AM
RE: More cleartext in the MS? - by BessAgritianin - 21-03-2025, 05:43 AM

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