Transcription problem - f68v3 and Rosettes foldout
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(09-01-2020, 09:03 AM)Mark Knowles wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(09-01-2020, 07:33 AM)Linda wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I think you will find they knew where they were better than you think. The Hereford mappa mundi is a map of the ecumene, not of earth, as is the Oresme. It would equate to the habitable section.

Oresme's inverted TO is supposed to show a two sphere system using one flat circle. It is not important though to figure that part out (since it was wrong anyway), it is the depiction of the habitable world that is important..

I have not noted in the text what you have stated. Neither does the text state what I have presented.

Initially I was told by others that the sections represent Air-Earth-Water or Fire-Earth-Water, however you seem to be stating a completely different interpretation much more similar to my own, though not identical.

Having looked at a number of knownT/O maps there appears to be quite a variance in the representation of different regions, which makes me wonder if this is just another form of representation.

If the habitable part is in the North then according to your statements then Oresme must be saying that Africa is in the North as it constitutes part of the habitable world.

It seems what you are postulating is that the T/O map is a kind of extended T/O map.

Sorry i missed this one earlier. Yes i think i am suggesting that you could be right about the continents but that thev43 undulations still act as a mnemonic to pull in the history of thought behind the reconciliations between the elements, the ecumene, and the cosmos.

In the vms, if the 43 undulations are indicative of a reference to the matching Oresme drawing, it seems like there is acceptance of Oresme's postulations, but rejection of Aristotle, by replacing the cosmological spheres outside the air sphere with swirls. As Oresme postulated the earth turning rather than the sky, even though he rejects his own idea,  i think the vms creators accept that the earth turning creates both the sky movement illusion and precession of the equinoxes.

Whether or not the Oresme earth is displayed is another matter, due to the lack of curves drawn in the T part, this hearkens more to the Isadore version, albeit upside down. So it could still mean various things. I was going to say it might have been a factor of the earth turning but it only turns on one axis, through the poles, not topsy turvy. So i am still leaning toward words that reflect the Oresme ideas, but i really don't know. 

One thing that pulls me away from the continents idea is the lack of cultural references, it seems like names of places might not be a part of it, that concepts would be more appropriate somehow than proper names. I try to keep an open mind to it all though, certainly the continents are still a possibility. For all we know it is none of the above, but it does seem to be about Earth.
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RE: Transcription problem - f68v3 and Rosettes foldout - by Linda - 09-01-2020, 09:38 PM

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