Those umbrella/pinecone things
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Quote:What makes you discard an entirely symbolic interpretation?


Good question which i ask myself often.

I read many times about the ms having symbolic meanings, those assumptions are quite often "over the top"

Like the "lungs", or "the eye-balls", or the women that are performing bleeding or some sort of group-suicide.
I think those conclusions are over the top, because when the author has such a story to tell,  he would have left us with many other obvious drawings.

You could argue that the fantasy things in the herbals are also in that direction, i think not, 
but regarding the balneo section you see no fantasy baths, or f.e. zoomorphic woman (small exception is the fish-woman).

The reasoning is not based on "what do i see"  but: "what would a common picture look like" 
Do we see that ? Are there such elements and what could it depict if we NOT see the usual thing.

All things that are not common, i put in the box "symbolic". Everything else i see as literal.

To make such observations it is absolutely necessary that you have done enough research and reading.

When i started a couple of years back i saw the VMS as one big symbolic ms.
Nowadays, i do not,  because i have more knowledge and see similarities with other ms in the same region and period.
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Those umbrella/pinecone things - by VViews - 07-04-2016, 12:37 AM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by Koen G - 07-04-2016, 05:44 AM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by MarcoP - 10-04-2016, 12:22 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by Anton - 10-04-2016, 02:20 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by -JKP- - 11-04-2016, 03:07 AM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by Davidsch - 11-04-2016, 02:49 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by VViews - 11-04-2016, 03:35 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by VViews - 11-04-2016, 04:45 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by Koen G - 11-04-2016, 05:27 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by VViews - 11-04-2016, 09:24 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by -JKP- - 11-04-2016, 09:58 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by Koen G - 12-04-2016, 08:39 AM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by Davidsch - 12-04-2016, 12:48 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by VViews - 12-04-2016, 03:53 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by -JKP- - 12-04-2016, 10:29 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by Anton - 11-04-2016, 09:50 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by R. Sale - 11-04-2016, 11:41 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by VViews - 12-04-2016, 01:23 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by Anton - 12-04-2016, 02:43 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by EllieV - 14-04-2016, 12:59 AM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by Diane - 13-04-2016, 07:48 AM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by Davidsch - 13-04-2016, 09:43 AM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by Koen G - 13-04-2016, 11:40 AM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by Anton - 13-04-2016, 12:58 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by Davidsch - 14-04-2016, 11:16 AM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by Koen G - 14-04-2016, 11:56 AM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by Davidsch - 14-04-2016, 03:15 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by Koen G - 14-04-2016, 03:24 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by MarcoP - 22-04-2016, 02:16 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by MarcoP - 22-04-2016, 05:22 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by R. Sale - 25-04-2016, 06:56 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by MarcoP - 26-04-2016, 09:45 AM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by R. Sale - 26-04-2016, 06:42 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by MarcoP - 27-04-2016, 08:15 AM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by MarcoP - 27-04-2016, 05:05 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by R. Sale - 27-04-2016, 06:57 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by MarcoP - 28-04-2016, 12:10 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by ReneZ - 28-04-2016, 12:35 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by Koen G - 28-04-2016, 01:01 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by R. Sale - 28-04-2016, 08:07 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by MarcoP - 29-04-2016, 08:24 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by Koen G - 29-04-2016, 08:50 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by Davidsch - 29-04-2016, 10:06 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by MarcoP - 30-04-2016, 09:08 AM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by Koen G - 30-04-2016, 11:34 AM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by VViews - 12-10-2016, 08:07 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by bi3mw - 08-10-2017, 07:52 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by -JKP- - 08-10-2017, 08:06 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by bi3mw - 09-10-2017, 12:40 AM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by -JKP- - 09-10-2017, 01:19 AM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by bi3mw - 13-10-2017, 09:45 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by Koen G - 10-11-2017, 07:42 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by MarcoP - 10-11-2017, 10:14 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by bi3mw - 11-11-2017, 11:15 AM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by Koen G - 10-11-2017, 11:03 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by -JKP- - 11-11-2017, 02:54 AM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by Koen G - 11-11-2017, 09:48 AM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by Koen G - 13-11-2017, 11:00 AM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by MarcoP - 13-11-2017, 04:10 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by bi3mw - 13-11-2017, 09:10 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by MarcoP - 15-11-2017, 12:31 AM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by -JKP- - 15-11-2017, 02:49 AM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by Koen G - 13-11-2017, 04:27 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by -JKP- - 13-11-2017, 04:46 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by Linda - 29-01-2019, 08:47 AM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by nablator - 29-01-2019, 01:38 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by nablator - 29-01-2019, 02:32 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by Linda - 30-01-2019, 12:09 AM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by Linda - 29-01-2019, 09:24 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by DONJCH - 29-01-2019, 01:33 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by Linda - 23-02-2019, 08:50 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by -JKP- - 11-04-2019, 03:19 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by Linda - 11-04-2019, 06:29 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by Linda - 11-04-2019, 08:22 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by Linda - 12-04-2019, 06:29 PM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by MarcoP - 09-10-2019, 07:01 AM
RE: Those umbrella/pinecone things - by -JKP- - 09-10-2019, 09:10 AM

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