Quote:Mark Knowles wrote: "I am focusing on how the shapes look visually independent of where else we see the shape."
So what you really mean is "I am focusing on how the shapes look visually in modern scripts independent of where else we see the shape."
Well why don't you say that? Otherwise we will assume you are talking about the period in which the VMS was created. In the 15th century 8 = "d" "s" and "8".

