The top left hand loop of the gallows characters is a 4. Who disagrees?

[-JKP-]

JKP: The long stem aside, which is probably longer to fit with the other aspects of gallows characters e.g. the long "p" shape, though anyway it doesn't seem that long to me. By the way, what is with the BLOCK CAPITALS?

I am not so focused on what it represents, but rather what it looks like. I would say that it is same shape as the "4" shape in "4o" and the same "4" shape that we see in diplomatic cipher alphabets that is what I am concerned with, visual parallels.

I don't see the point in getting in an argument for the sake of it, if it is a topic you have little interest in.

I don't argue for the sake of it, Mark. I have no interest in that. I debate issues to get clarity.

I don't know how many times I've told you, it looks like a Latin 4. The diplomatic ciphers also look like Latin 4. Why do you keep asking the same question? Do you want samples? I've posted numerous examples in blogs but I can post more if that's what it takes.