Quote:After the fall of Montségur, the Inquisition initiated a widespread interrogation and torture campaign to track down the Cathar treasure that escaped the siege (they never found it: off to America per my theory!). In those circumstances it might be foolish for an artist to openly express familiarity with Monstségur.
You seem to be saying this looks like Montsegur, yet doesnt look like it, at the same time. Are you saying that it doesnt look like it is why it must be the castle in the vms?
Quote:The French royal troops who attacked Montségur were in effect Philip II's troops, only now under the control of his grandson (or the mother of his grandson or something like that). So it fits appropriately into a book about Philip II.
But what i am saying is the original manuscript, the one made in 1250 to 1274, only went to 1223 in time. Therefore did not include anything about Montsegur massacre for anyone to copy. Whatever was added to subsequent editions does not matter, it was not contemporary, nor a copy of one that was. It is like saying you found a likeness of Montsegur in a batman comic, and it looks exactly like the castle in the vms, therefore that is what it is.
Whether or not the troops belonged to Phillip or his son or whoever still means nothing, they were likely a century buried by the time this illustration was made.
We still also do not know yet, or i dont know, what the manuscript says this depicts. If indeed it is a 1209 event, this doesnt help your story at all.
Quote:The illustration under discussion depicts:
i. A fortress on top of a mountain.
No, it depicts the tops of towers. We dont know what other architecture might be there, we can only imagine.
Quote:ii. A group of people being burned in a field down below the fortress.
Take away below the fortress and then okay. I'll even believe they are Cathars, from the Shutterstock attribute, although now id like confirmation from the manuscript as to what is being depicted.
Quote:It happened at Montségur. Where else did it happen? It's hardly an everyday occurrence in any epoch. Essentially, that's why I and others have concluded that it has to be Montségur.
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The next battle centered around Lastours and the adjacent castle of Cabaret. Attacked in December 1209, Pierre-Roger de Cabaret repulsed the assault. Fighting largely halted over the winter, but fresh crusaders arrived. In March 1210, Bram was captured after a short siege. In June, the well-fortified city of Minerve was besieged. It withstood a heavy bombardment, but in late June the main well was destroyed, and on July 22, the city surrendered. The Cathars of the city were given the opportunity to return to Catholicism. Most did so, but the 140 who refused were burned at the stake
By the time operations resumed in 1211, the harsh actions of the crusaders had alienated several important lords, including Raymond de Toulouse, who had been excommunicated again. The crusaders returned in force to Lastours in March, and Pierre-Roger de Cabaret soon agreed to surrender. In May, the castle of Lord Aimery of Montréal, south of Carcassonne, was retaken; he and his senior knights were hanged, and several hundred Cathars were burned.