Morten St George Theory

[Linda]

I was working under the assumption that the VMS depiction had some connection to the Cathars who escaped the siege on March 14, 1244, and, having lived there, those Cathars would have had a good idea of what that fortress looked like

I think you were working under the assumption that because the Cathar castle is said by many to have been completely destroyed and not one single stone left, that there would be no refute to your ascribing the tower(s) seen in the bonfire photo to the vms castle.

I have since learned there were catapults on the top of the mountain but i dont think the second tower was built by the catapultists as an aiming assist. 

The only medieval image of Montségur that I was able to find does not disagree with the VMS depiction (to the extent of the tower that is visible), and I found nothing in Inquisition records of the siege that would lead me to believe that the VMS depiction was inaccurate.

It does disagree. There is another tower. That, if it is a true rendition, exists after the Cathars are burned, so you cant say something happened to it before they could record it. It just doesn't work. Plus the fact that the rest of the castle just isnt there, so there is no way to equate it with anything, or say a so-called depiction thereof is accurate or inaccurate in any way, but in fact, that is what upholds your belief in your view that it does.

Speaking of which, where and when does this painting originate? For all we know it is an imagined scene, drawn well after the fact, by which time there would be nothing to copy. I have seen it used to depict other occurrences as well but cannot find in what manuscript it is found.


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This site includes various reconstructions, none of which resemble the vms castle.

Common sense tells me that when there are no ruins (as I said, the stones of the Cathar fortress were removed from the mountain), there is little archaeologists can do. I also know that stone cannot be dated, so if there were any foundations there, it would be impossible to determine if it was the foundation of the pre-Cathar fortress of the 12th century or a post-Cathar foundation.

If no archeology had been done, this might be a valid assumption.

If they spent 12 years unearthing everything and can reasonably put a picture together of the chronology of what has been left behind which refutes this no stone left behind assertation, then it is not so valid.

And not for one second do I believe that these archaeologists found the original, genuine blueprints for the construction of the Cathar fortress. If such a thing ever existed, the Inquisition would have burned it.

Know that Montségur, like the VMS, is a major field of quackery and scientists are not immune. So let's just leave it that you go your way and I'll go mine.

Don't expect many to go your way if that is your stance.