Morten St George Theory

[Linda]

JP, I remain completely confused on this whole issue. The VMS dates to the early part of 15th century so I presume it predates most of the 15th-century manuscripts that depict a human Sagittarius. Are you claiming that the authors of those manuscripts got the idea of a human Sagittarius from the VMS?

Alternatively, if a 15th-century manuscript was completed between 1400 and 1404, the authors of the VMS could have gotten the idea of a human Sagittarius from there. Which was it?

Also, please confirm that the other 15th-century manuscripts depict a fox tail like the one seen in the VMS. Thanks.

I doubt the veracity of your first statement. 

Now you date the vms to the 15th century, when just previously you had been vehemently arguing a 13th century date.

No one is saying what you purport about copying from the vms. Obviously if a later dated figure is being considered, it is thought to have a common ancestor. Which was it? The latter is the likely possibility.

Confirm what now about what manuscripts? The ones after or before? The Sagittarius depictions do not have to have similar headgear, it may be a combination, or simply that the vms artist drew from an older example and dressed him to reflect a more current fashion, or one they simply liked better. They do not have to copy the fashion from a manuscript, they merely have to have seen it in the context of someone who might carry a crossbow. But here are a couple that seem similar to me, maybe not the exact headgear but i didn't look that hard for a match.


15th century Book of the Hunt, French