Morten St George Theory

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Morten: What is important here is that a move away from the Centaur...

No, you are wrong.

It does NOT represent a move away from the centaur. It is UNUSUAL for its time.

You ignored the whole historical pattern of Sagittarius.

Some countries persistently retained the centaur and most of them adapted the centaur after the Beit Alpha mosaics were created.

I'm not kidding when I say you are a cherry picker. This demonstrates it. You didn't look at the whole history, you picked one example, an ATYPICAL example and tried to represent it as something it isn't.

Spain, in particular, preferred the centaur.

JP, I remain completely confused on this whole issue. The VMS dates to the early part of 15th century so I presume it predates most of the 15th-century manuscripts that depict a human Sagittarius. Are you claiming that the authors of those manuscripts got the idea of a human Sagittarius from the VMS?

Alternatively, if a 15th-century manuscript was completed between 1400 and 1404, the authors of the VMS could have gotten the idea of a human Sagittarius from there. Which was it?

Also, please confirm that the other 15th-century manuscripts depict a fox tail like the one seen in the VMS. Thanks.

It does NOT predate the 14th century human Sagittarius figures. Are you assuming human Sagittarius was only in the 15th century? Or only in the late 15th century?

WHY? There's no reason to assume it didn't exist in the 14th century. If it ONLY existed in the late 15th century would I have said these are examplars for the VMS? Of course not!

Look at the MAP in this blog. Click on it so you can see it full-sized. It represents years of research and it includes dates:

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This is based on analyzing approximately 520 FULL zodiac series, most of which are pre-1450 back to antiquity, and very few of which are after 1485 because the VMS themes went out of popularity in the late 15th century and zodiacs became more standardized (and less like the VMS) after the Renaissance.

Research should be based on evidence, not on guesses.