Morten St George Theory

[Linda]

Oh...i guess i should have caught up, you were talking about the crown? I discounted that right away and thought you were talking about the the other one. In any case there is no comparable headwear in your example. Nor does any of the clothing match.

Thanks, Linda, for your contribution. Though Koen and JP have found some fashion links to the 15th century, this cannot overcome the primary evidence arguing against the redaction of the VMS in 15th century Europe, namely, the failure to find another instance of VMS script from that place and time.

Moreover, the general tone and style of the VMS has very little in common with other manuscripts of the 15th century. That is not just my opinion. For example, D'Imperio cites an expert on medieval manuscripts as saying "It is strange that the draftsman should have so completely escaped all medieval or Renaissance influence."

The medieval situation was further complicated by the Inquisition and their book-burning bonfires. Valuable sources of precedent material are no longer extant leading Koen and JP to faulty conclusions regarding dates of origin.

I agree that a lot has been lost, but i see enough evidence to support the carbon dating, especially Koen and JKP's clothing and zodiac comparisons.

Myself i think i see references from 1415 to 1419 in terms of historical geography. 

I would also not expect most of 15th century art to be reflected since most of it is past the date we are talking about. I think it is talking about things that endure, rather than discussing trends of the day. I see it as a history of mankind in a way that tries to pull it all together, to negate the differences in culture from place to place. I think they knew about places more than faces, so to speak. That is why the nymphs are mainly unclothed, i think. However, some culture creeps in, and it helps give us clues.

I don't think many actual precedents are going to be found, but allusions or integrations do seem to be there. These will be from early 15th century and before. So if you see some 13th century references, this would not surprise me. But i think it is definitely referenced from the perspective of a person living in 1420 or after.