25-02-2019, 09:40 PM
Re the second cloud band in the rosettes, i think there are fish tails in the centre, flanking the earth and sky, a smaller version of the one we saw with the spiral text bands.
![[Image: pool.jpg]](https://www.science20.com/files/images/pool.jpg)
![[Image: slide_31.jpg]](https://images.slideplayer.com/13/4111269/slides/slide_31.jpg)
Again i think this points to the various previous religions and beliefs which have shaped societies over time.
Note the Babylonian Pisces is linked to the area in which they live. This may account for the blue colouration of the water, their creation story has to do with a sweet water sea. The Greek creation story has to do with Earth and sky. The Roman mythology is based on their place in the world, and they form a genealogy back to the Trojans, and their gods all seem to have Greek counterparts, hence the double cloud band, one builds on the other.
I think the multi design of the cloud band in both this and the central rosette distinguish themselves from the water vapour cloud bands of quire 13 and the celestial boundary band of the spiral text band Earth as indications of thought through time, rather than physical aspects of the world. Note they are surrounded on the outside by more physical looking symbols, in this case water or wet rock, versus mountains and what appears to me to be volcanoes around the central rosette. I think this is to show that these global thoughts have made their mark on the various places of the globe.
Many of the earliest religions placed their leaders as gods as well, or linked back to them genealogically. So i see this rosette as a conglommeration of all the ancient religious thoughts of creation and their respective beliefs.
![[Image: ThreeCloudbands.png]](https://voynichportal.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/ThreeCloudbands.png)
JKP found this one in relation to the building of the tower of Babel. I believe it is from Národní knihovna České republikyXXIII.C.124.
The idea of different languages falls into play with the idea of various religions. The biblical Flood of Noah seems to match Sumerian and other accounts of flood. Floods cause people to move elsewhere, further complicating societies by integrating new words and histories into the places they end up inhabiting. The three cloud bands shown are single, double, doubledouble, the progression of chaos?
![[Image: 032518-54-Medieval-Middle-Ages-Cosmology...ronomy.png]](https://brewminate.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/032518-54-Medieval-Middle-Ages-Cosmology-Art-History-Astronomy.png)
This one is Jonicus, the First Astronomer in Weltchronik, Regensburg, Bavaria, Germany, about 1400–10. The J. Paul Getty Museum, Ms. 33, fol. 12
Jonicus is the supposed fourth son of Noah. From the same Weltchronik, here is a double cloudband over Noah's Ark with two fish. Weltchronik means world history. Perhaps these world history manuscripts are what we are to align with double cloud bands.
![[Image: 00207901.jpg]](http://www.getty.edu/museum/media/images/web/thumbnail/00207901.jpg)
This is the first rain in paradise, same source.
![[Image: 30184f38ff745bc6e7c9db5cc7238385.jpg]](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/30/18/4f/30184f38ff745bc6e7c9db5cc7238385.jpg)
Many bibles also have similar cloud bands. This one completed in 1415. Bibles are also a history book, a genealogy.
![[Image: 423px-Mettener-Armenbibel-165.jpg]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Mettener-Armenbibel-165.jpg/423px-Mettener-Armenbibel-165.jpg)
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The age of Pisces brings further evolution plus newer religions into the fore, and many are related, ie the Abrahamic religions.
![[Image: Southwest+Asia…+birthplace+of+the+three+...gions..jpg]](http://slideplayer.com/slide/8379517/26/images/1/Southwest+Asia…+birthplace+of+the+three+Abrahamic+religions..jpg)
These religions have since broken off into various others, and then there are the other religions of the world to consider as well
![[Image: 648px-Religions_timeline.svg.png]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Religions_timeline.svg/648px-Religions_timeline.svg.png)
The religions left behind could be one group, and the ones that have made it to present (or the time of the vms) could be depicted by the six towers, given some might not have been known to the creators of the vms. Or perhaps it is only representative of specific offshoots.
I think the central rosette is about grouping some subset of these all back together into a monotheist collection, ie a history of modern religion, versus a history of ancient polytheistic mythologies in the double cloudband rosette, off to the side.
![[Image: pool.jpg]](https://www.science20.com/files/images/pool.jpg)
![[Image: slide_31.jpg]](https://images.slideplayer.com/13/4111269/slides/slide_31.jpg)
Again i think this points to the various previous religions and beliefs which have shaped societies over time.
Note the Babylonian Pisces is linked to the area in which they live. This may account for the blue colouration of the water, their creation story has to do with a sweet water sea. The Greek creation story has to do with Earth and sky. The Roman mythology is based on their place in the world, and they form a genealogy back to the Trojans, and their gods all seem to have Greek counterparts, hence the double cloud band, one builds on the other.
I think the multi design of the cloud band in both this and the central rosette distinguish themselves from the water vapour cloud bands of quire 13 and the celestial boundary band of the spiral text band Earth as indications of thought through time, rather than physical aspects of the world. Note they are surrounded on the outside by more physical looking symbols, in this case water or wet rock, versus mountains and what appears to me to be volcanoes around the central rosette. I think this is to show that these global thoughts have made their mark on the various places of the globe.
Many of the earliest religions placed their leaders as gods as well, or linked back to them genealogically. So i see this rosette as a conglommeration of all the ancient religious thoughts of creation and their respective beliefs.
![[Image: ThreeCloudbands.png]](https://voynichportal.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/ThreeCloudbands.png)
JKP found this one in relation to the building of the tower of Babel. I believe it is from Národní knihovna České republikyXXIII.C.124.
The idea of different languages falls into play with the idea of various religions. The biblical Flood of Noah seems to match Sumerian and other accounts of flood. Floods cause people to move elsewhere, further complicating societies by integrating new words and histories into the places they end up inhabiting. The three cloud bands shown are single, double, doubledouble, the progression of chaos?
![[Image: 032518-54-Medieval-Middle-Ages-Cosmology...ronomy.png]](https://brewminate.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/032518-54-Medieval-Middle-Ages-Cosmology-Art-History-Astronomy.png)
This one is Jonicus, the First Astronomer in Weltchronik, Regensburg, Bavaria, Germany, about 1400–10. The J. Paul Getty Museum, Ms. 33, fol. 12
Jonicus is the supposed fourth son of Noah. From the same Weltchronik, here is a double cloudband over Noah's Ark with two fish. Weltchronik means world history. Perhaps these world history manuscripts are what we are to align with double cloud bands.
This is the first rain in paradise, same source.
![[Image: 30184f38ff745bc6e7c9db5cc7238385.jpg]](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/30/18/4f/30184f38ff745bc6e7c9db5cc7238385.jpg)
Many bibles also have similar cloud bands. This one completed in 1415. Bibles are also a history book, a genealogy.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. more about the pauper's bible.
The age of Pisces brings further evolution plus newer religions into the fore, and many are related, ie the Abrahamic religions.
![[Image: Southwest+Asia…+birthplace+of+the+three+...gions..jpg]](http://slideplayer.com/slide/8379517/26/images/1/Southwest+Asia…+birthplace+of+the+three+Abrahamic+religions..jpg)
These religions have since broken off into various others, and then there are the other religions of the world to consider as well
The religions left behind could be one group, and the ones that have made it to present (or the time of the vms) could be depicted by the six towers, given some might not have been known to the creators of the vms. Or perhaps it is only representative of specific offshoots.
I think the central rosette is about grouping some subset of these all back together into a monotheist collection, ie a history of modern religion, versus a history of ancient polytheistic mythologies in the double cloudband rosette, off to the side.

