27-01-2018, 11:23 PM
(This post was last modified: 27-01-2018, 11:25 PM by davidjackson.)
OK, so you replied to me with a response to somebody else, but no matter.
Let us check the link you put to me, namely the Shakespeare correspondence to Nostradamus (and I still can't quite understand how we get from there to the Voynich, but hey).
You say, in your very first example:
BTW, the sparrow quotation is actually a reference to the Bible, King James version.
Sorry, it's all too ridiculous for me, I'm out.
Let us check the link you put to me, namely the Shakespeare correspondence to Nostradamus (and I still can't quite understand how we get from there to the Voynich, but hey).
You say, in your very first example:
Quote:Nostradamus:I'm sorry, but you can't pick two random examples out of the Shakespearean corpus and use them to justify a link to Nostradamus - it's ridiculous. They aren't even from the same play. And they don't even correspond in the least to the Nostradamus prediction you quote.
L'oiseau royal sur la cité solaire,
Sept moys deuant fera nocturne augure:
Mur d'Orient, cherra tonnerre esclaire,
Sept iours aux portes les ennemis à l'heure [1, V-81].
The royal bird over the city of the Sun, Seven months beforehand shall make nocturnal augury, The wall of the Orient shall fall, thunder illuminated, Seven days to the ports the enemies to the hour [168 hours?]. Note the Frenchification of the Latin "portis" (dative case), which can mean either gates or seaports. Later we will encounter a clarification: "port," seaport, in unambiguous context.
Shakespeare:
Ham. Not a whit, we defy augury; there's a special providence in the fall of a sparrow [2, Ham.].
Shakespeare:
And with my hand at midnight held your head;
And, like the watchful minutes to the hour [2, Jn.].
Theophilus de Garencières, who made the first English translation of the Nostradamus prophecies in 1672, tells us "By the Royal Bird is meant an Eagle" [3], but Shakespeare considers other possibilities, here the sparrow. However, it is the word fall that seals the correlation. Note that Nostradamus uses fall in the sense of the fall of an empire and Shakespeare uses it to refer to the descent of a bird, but nevertheless the terms equate for the purpose at hand.
BTW, the sparrow quotation is actually a reference to the Bible, King James version.
Sorry, it's all too ridiculous for me, I'm out.
