[Trinity] Questions about Trinity MS script
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(21-05-2017, 10:21 PM)Koen Gh. wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I was pondering how to gain entrance into the "weird section" that starts on f.107, how to connect it to anything at all. I thought I'd start by looking whether there were also "D" references in there, not expecting any at all. I'm not sure if there are many, but to my surprise there are two already on the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., one for each plant. 
Anyway, here's the first fragment. I think this plant's text may be interesting in in its entirety, but that is still beyond my abilities. I'll just make a clumsy attempt for the "D" quote - I appreciate your help and patience  Big Grin



And D bears witness that as long as the sun is rising(?) this flower appears and opens up, and while the sun is setting this flower falls. And also it does this on other days and it never dies and thus always remains green (inestate??) and...

Hi Koen, I will be away / off-line for a few days, so don't expect me to reply for a while.

107r first plant is called Gyathi (I am not sure if letters are missing at the start); Vedenaych? Bedenaych by the Greek; Valyr by the Hebrew. It grows in Greater India. The leaves are dark green, with no stem, similar to the leaves of grapevine. Small root. It makes flowers looking like girls (with a dark face and yellow hair?).


The passage from D you translated seems correct to me. “inestate et yeme” should be “in aestate et hieme” in summer and winter.

The following passage is also very interesting: [it is always green without dying] as does Lunatica, which common people call Lucia in some places. Lucia is one of the Alchemical Plants, also mentioned in Trinity You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (210v). And Lunatica is Lunaria, the most alchemical of the alchemical plants, discussed (but not illustrated) in Trinity You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

A long list of medical and magical uses of the flowers follows.
At the end: D says that sometimes these flowers speak in the morning, when the sun rises. Pick it in April.
The talking flowers (as well as the illustration) make me think of the speaking trees in the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..


A “Lucia” with face-like flowers (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.) is also discussed in the Udine and Vermont herbals. There is no clear connection with the text of the Trinity ms (plant description and prescriptions are quite different).


Dioscorides actually described a plant with flowers similar to masks (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.).
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