Diane wrote:
JKP
...The Vms images aren't stiff; we've known for more than half a century that they don't represent single plant 'portraits' and they sure as anything aren't inaccurate.
I've never said they are inaccurate. Quite the opposite—inaccurate plant drawings don't interest me. Also, no one has proven that they don't represent single plant 'portraits'. It is possible that some are composites, but that is conjecture. Nothing about the plant IDs is proven.
...script is not Latin European though the hand(s) could be; the language doesn't act like a Latin European work, and there's no way that a competent art appraiser would accept the comparison between the way the plant is pictured on f.25v and those presented above.
The script (the character set) is based on Latin (and a few on Greek), including the benched gallows. I can prove this—unfortunately, a heavy work schedule keeps interfering with my attempts to write it up. I have thousands of examples and I am slowly getting them in order.
No, the language doesn't act like European languages—on this we agree, though possibly for different reasons.
Folio 25v, as has long been known, represents the Dracaena spp.
No plant ID is proven. Some are more likely than others, but you cannot prove this is Dracaena. Dracaena is high on my list, but I have about five potential plants high on the list and I am quite certain that I have more plant knowledge than you. I have catalogued more than 21,000 plants.
Understanding imagery created from another time - requires a lot more work that most people imagine: ...
You say this and yet you criticize Marco for extensively studying medieval herbals and posting examples.
For the record, I've also gone through all the images for every Arabic and western herbal manuscript available on the Net. I've looked at them so often, I can identify about 75% of the plants without looking at the labels, even if it's a newly digitized herbal that I've never seen before, even if the pictures are badly drawn. I made a concerted effort to learn not only illustrative iconography, but also plant iconography from the middle ages.
JKP
...The Vms images aren't stiff; we've known for more than half a century that they don't represent single plant 'portraits' and they sure as anything aren't inaccurate.
I've never said they are inaccurate. Quite the opposite—inaccurate plant drawings don't interest me. Also, no one has proven that they don't represent single plant 'portraits'. It is possible that some are composites, but that is conjecture. Nothing about the plant IDs is proven.
...script is not Latin European though the hand(s) could be; the language doesn't act like a Latin European work, and there's no way that a competent art appraiser would accept the comparison between the way the plant is pictured on f.25v and those presented above.
The script (the character set) is based on Latin (and a few on Greek), including the benched gallows. I can prove this—unfortunately, a heavy work schedule keeps interfering with my attempts to write it up. I have thousands of examples and I am slowly getting them in order.
No, the language doesn't act like European languages—on this we agree, though possibly for different reasons.
Folio 25v, as has long been known, represents the Dracaena spp.
No plant ID is proven. Some are more likely than others, but you cannot prove this is Dracaena. Dracaena is high on my list, but I have about five potential plants high on the list and I am quite certain that I have more plant knowledge than you. I have catalogued more than 21,000 plants.
Understanding imagery created from another time - requires a lot more work that most people imagine: ...
You say this and yet you criticize Marco for extensively studying medieval herbals and posting examples.
For the record, I've also gone through all the images for every Arabic and western herbal manuscript available on the Net. I've looked at them so often, I can identify about 75% of the plants without looking at the labels, even if it's a newly digitized herbal that I've never seen before, even if the pictures are badly drawn. I made a concerted effort to learn not only illustrative iconography, but also plant iconography from the middle ages.