(25-02-2017, 12:13 AM)Diane wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.-JKP-
The constant efforts to represent this imagery as just a nice, ordinary European herbal that is putting on a funny but flimsy mask are a waste of time.
Diane, this has to stop.
You are COMPLETELY mischaracterizing my posts. In my identifications, I constantly cite North American, Asian, and African plants. Sometimes even South American plants.
How many times did I mention Dracaena? It's primarily an African plant and I have mentioned it in almost every post, including the ones that disappeared in the earlier thread.
For you to continually imply that those of us offering plant IDs are trying to characterize this as a European herbal is wrong. In this thread, we are posting plausible identifications, not theories. Basil, which was suggested by David, originated in Africa. Marco is quite right to keep Plantain on the table, and there's no harm in posting European examples. Plantain grows everywhere, all over the world, and is one of the oldest "plants of interest" (for fodder and medicinal and magical purposes) on the planet, and the VMS leaves LOOK exactly like plantain.
He has every right to offer this ubiquitous plant as a suggested ID, and you are out of line if you say he or I or anyone on this thread is promoting a "European theory" just because Marco includes some interesting pictures from available herbals that happen to be European in origin. They are useful references regardless of where the plants originated, and regardless of the original intent of the plant drawings.
You keep criticizing things that are not being said or even implied.
And even if there are people who believe in a central European origin or that it is an herbal, that is THEIR RIGHT, just as it is your right to believe otherwise, but this thread is not about this being a European herbal and I haven't seen anyone saying that it is. It's about relevant plant IDs and Dracaena was already mentioned by a number of people and Plantago, a Eurasian plant, is a very defendable option.
If you want to discuss central European and herbal politics, start a thread in an appropriate section. This thread is for plant IDs and discussions of plant IDs, not for political discussions of other people's choices of plant IDs.