24-02-2017, 09:18 PM
(This post was last modified: 25-02-2017, 10:59 AM by Torsten.
Edit Reason: clarified
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(24-02-2017, 06:06 PM)nickpelling wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Torsten: it seems that you are inferring from the lack of -a or -o words but the abundance of -y words that -y is an orthographic variant where those same words should end with -a and -o.
I'd accept that word-initial y- could be a variant of word-initial o- , but I don't think you're going to convince anyone here that word-initial y- would replace word-initial a- in all but the very rarest of circumstances. So this is already somewhat asymmetric.
Indeed, my statement was not specific enough. What I mean is that it is possible to replace each instance of [y] with [o] or [a]. What I mean is that [y] is a variant of [o] and [a]. (clarified)
The usage of [y] is very strict. There are 4184 word types with [y]. There are 3096 word types ending in [y] (74.6 %) and 625 word types starting with [y] (15 %). Some of the remaining words are still words like [dydydy] or [chedydy]. Therefore words like [kydain] or [dykain] are not very common.
Word initial [y] is interchangeable with [o] but not with [a]. If there is a word starting with [y] there is nearly always also a similar word starting with [o]:
oaiin (26) daiin (863) odaiin (60) okaiin (212) otaiin (154)
oain (11) dain (211) odain (18) okain (144) otain ( 96)
oaiir ( 4) daiir ( 23) odaiir ( 2) okaiir ( 6) otaiir ( 4)
oair ( 3) dair (106) odair ( 5) okair ( 22) otair ( 21)
oar (16) dar (318) odar (24) okar (129) otar (141)
oal ( 3) dal (253) odal (13) okal (138) otal (143)
oam ( 1) dam ( 98) odam ( 6) okam ( 26) otam ( 47)
oor ( 3) dor ( 73) odor ( 8) okor ( 34) otor ( 46)
ool (--) dol (117) odol ( 2) okol ( 82) otol ( 86)
oy ( 6) dy (270) ody (46) oky (102) oty (115)
yaiin ( 6) ydaiin (21) ykaiin ( 45) ytaiin ( 43)
yain (--) ydain ( 5) ykain ( 10) ytain ( 13)
yaiir ( 2) ydaiir (--) ykaiir ( 2) ytaiir ( 1)
yair ( 2) ydair ( 2) ykair ( 8) ytair ( 3)
yar ( 2) ydar ( 2) ykar ( 36) ytar ( 26)
yal ( 1) ydal ( 3) ykal ( 16) ytal ( 19)
yam (--) ydam ( 1) ykam ( 5) ytam ( 13)
yor ( 2) ydor ( 1) ykor ( 10) ytor ( 14)
yol ( 2) ydol (--) ykol ( 14) ytol ( 12)
yy ( 1) ydy ( 8) yky ( 18) yty ( 24)
Quote:Of course, this proposed replacement scheme doesn't work for mid-word -a- or mid-word -o- instances at all, which is why it falls under the category of "orthographic", so y can be explained away as a scribal variant. :-)
But given that so many words end in -dy, are you really saying that -dy is a replacement for -do or -da? I'm not sure you've really thought that through to the end line, sorry. :-(
My interpretation of the network of similar words is that word final [y] is a replacement for word final [a] and [o]. Word final [a] is nearly always replaced with [y]. Therefore a word final [a] is rare. Word final [o] did occur in only 314 out of 6920 word types (4.5 %).
ar (350) dar (318) odar (24) okar (129) qokar (152) kar (52) sar ( 84) rar (21) orar (10) olkar (19) lkar (30)
al (260) dal (253) odal (13) okal (138) qokal (191) kal (23) sal ( 55) ral (17) oral (10) olkal (11) lkal ( 5)
or (363) dor ( 73) odor ( 8) okor ( 34) qokor ( 36) kor (26) sor ( 57) ror (17) oror ( 5) olkor ( 4) lkor ( 4) lkr ( -)
ol (537) dol (117) odol ( 2) okol ( 82) qokol (104) kol (37) sol ( 75) rol (20) orol (15) olkol ( 5) lkol ( 5) lkl ( 9)
y (151) dy (270) ody (46) oky (102) qoky (147) ky (25) sy ( 35) ry (13) ory (17) olky (22) lky (17) lk ( 1)
o ( 81) do ( 16) odo (--) oko ( 8) qoko ( 9) ko ( 2) so ( 5) ro (10) oro ( 5) olko ( 1) lko ( 3)
a ( 3) da ( 9) oda (--) oka ( 1) qoka (---) ka ( 1) sa ( 4) ra (--) ora (--) olka (--) lka (--)

