[split] Bax' label readings and "labelese"
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(06-02-2017, 09:45 AM)VViews wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.As I recently commented on Stephen Bax's site, if the label is Taurus shouldn't it appear in the Taurus pages? I was told that that is not how Voynich text works.

Hello Vviews,
I am very sorry to read this. On Stephen's site I replied to your comment with these words:

“As far as I know, the kind of internal consistency that you suggest has never been found in the VMS. I do expect that such systematic internal correlations exist (e.g. in most astronomical / astrological manuscripts, the whole list of the twelve zodiac signs appears several times). Spelling variation, discussed by Stephen You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., is a possible explanation for the difficulty of this kind of analysis.”

Your comment could suggest to someone that you received a reply by Stephen. I think it would have been better to mention my name as the author of the unsatisfactory reply you received.
Your summary “I was told that that is not how Voynich text works” certainly does not reflect my intentions: I don't know how Voynich text works and I don't dream of telling anybody how it does or doesn't work. I apologize for expressing myself poorly.

In my reply I observed that the kind of internal consistency you suggest has not been found yet. I completely agree that it would be highly desirable to find links of the kind you propose! For instance, a few months ago I You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. on Derek Vogt's star labels by noticing that one of the star labels in f68r1 (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.) also appears prominently in the Cancer page: these are the only two occurrences of the word. It would be nice to come to an interpretation capable of explaining both the occurrences!

(06-02-2017, 09:45 AM)VViews wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I didn't comment further over there because I didn't want to come across as disrespectful to Stephen Bax, but I find it awfully "convenient" that Voynich text should be a simple substitution cipher only when it fits assumptions based on the illustrations...

Are you sure that discussing Stephen Bax's ideas on this forum rather than with Stephen Bax is the most respectful way to proceed? My personal experience is the Stephen appreciates and encourages constructive scientific dialogue and doesn't judge differences of opinions as disrespectful.

Coming back to the main subject of the thread, in my opinion Stephen's main contribution to the field is the systematic focus on both images AND text at the same time. 
Of course there are many groups of seven stars (even if only very few appear prominently in cosmological diagrams). Of course, it's strange that the Pleiades are labeled “Taurus” (or a similar Persian or Greek-related equivalent) instead of “Pleiades”. But what about EVA:doary? Which better interpretation for the label can be advanced?
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RE: Does the VMs show the solar eclipse of April 15, 1409? - by MarcoP - 06-02-2017, 02:31 PM
Stephen's 2014 paper - by MarcoP - 06-02-2017, 06:34 PM

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