LJS 51 Collection of alphabets and encoded correspondence

[Rafal]

Some signs in these charms look like sigils, symbols of some particular angels or other supernatural entities

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There are also several single letters which could be first letters of the word (see: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. )

And there seem to be some nonsense rhymes and repetitions, typical for such chants.

Generally my feeling is that it is a big subject and you could study such incantations for 10 years and still learn new things. Exactly like Voynich Manuscript 

[LisaFaginDavis]

Colin and I are definitely not trying to read the manuscript - we are trying to hypothesize the original structure and sequence of bifolia so that OTHERS may be able to move the work of decipherment forward.

As for LJS 51, I worked for Larry from 1993 to around 2001, after I finished my PhD at Yale. 

I have always felt that finding some Voynich symbols in other manuscripts doesn't necessarily tell us much about the Voynich itself...many, if not all, of the symbols could have developed independent of other influence. I really don't know.

[Bluetoes101]

I also don't really know, but in my experience things are rarely original. 
I saw this recently, Irving is one of my favourite people and so I can't avoid anything he does (thanks internet algorithms) 
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I'd recommend the whole thing rather than just this snip (here - You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.) It's 2 hours but I thought it was very worth while. However I think it's a good example of every time we think we found "the first" eventually that idea is pushed back and it came from somewhere previous. Irving is a leading expert in Cuneiform so he has every motive to support claims it was the "original" (as some experts do) yet he could not argue more strongly against. Essentially he says that the stone tablets with pictographic writing on found in Göbekli Tepe must be stamps and therefore must be writing, and this predates all forms of writing we previously had by an embarrassing amount (several thousand years). 

   

So while the VMS creators may have invented some things for the first time, I doubt it, and I think they probably saw things somewhere before which gave them ideas. Though obviously neither of us can know (yet!).

[DG97EEB]

I also don't really know, but in my experience things are rarely original. 
I saw this recently, Irving is one of my favourite people and so I can't avoid anything he does (thanks internet algorithms) 
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I'd recommend the whole thing rather than just this snip (here - You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.) It's 2 hours but I thought it was very worth while. However I think it's a good example of every time we think we found "the first" eventually that idea is pushed back and it came from somewhere previous. Irving is a leading expert in Cuneiform so he has every motive to support claims it was the "original" (as some experts do) yet he could not argue more strongly against. Essentially he says that the stone tablets with pictographic writing on found in Göbekli Tepe must be stamps and therefore must be writing, and this predates all forms of writing we previously had by an embarrassing amount (several thousand years). 



So while the VMS creators may have invented some things for the first time, I doubt it, and I think they probably saw things somewhere before which gave them ideas. Though obviously neither of us can know (yet!).

Yes Irving on Lex was brilliant!

Also, only somewhat related, I'm reading Proto by Laura Spinney at the moment about how Proto Indo European because such a dominant language.. highly recommend it..

[DG97EEB]

Came across a 15th Century magic book in the Munich state library written in German and Latin. I won't post pictures here, but again we have the same set of glyphs from the Italian manuscript I posted previously but this time in Germany. Although they don't match Voynich exactly, it's clear these shapes were highly present in this region at the time, and the writers of VMS may well have simply borrowed them.. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

(72v to 74v)

Also here, we have 8s, 4s, 9s, etc You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

[JustAnotherTheory]

Came across a 15th Century magic book in the Munich state library written in German and Latin. I won't post pictures here, but again we have the same set of glyphs from the Italian manuscript I posted previously but this time in Germany. Although they don't match Voynich exactly, it's clear these shapes were highly present in this region at the time, and the writers of VMS may well have simply borrowed them.. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

(72v to 74v)

Also here, we have 8s, 4s, 9s, etc You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

This is a really good reference, thanks for that