[Essentials] Counts discussion

[Koen G]

I just made a new thread to gather all counts of things: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Here any additions can be suggested. Count VViews, please make abundant use of your editing rights here, I must have forgotten quite a bit of things we've counted before.

Did we ever reach a definite count of the total number of human figures?

[Anton]

Number of stars in f68r1: 29 (all labeled)
Number of stars in f68r2: 59, of those 24 are labeled, 12 unlabeled, plus the additioal outer circle of 23 unlabeled stars.

[VViews]

Hi Koen,
I will just copy paste the results from the Counting Things thread here. These counts should be correct since I had updated them based on other users' comments.

Jars 

Numbered top to bottom, left to right.
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1) 5 items
2) 4 items
3) 3 items

f88v-r2

1) 4 items
2) 3 items
3) 3 items
4) 4 items
5) 3 items
6) 3 items
7) 4 items
8) 2 items
9) 6 items
10) 4 items

f89v2

1) 5 items
2) 3 items
3) 4 items

f89v1


1) 3 items
2) 3 items

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1) 12 items
2) 7 items
3) 7 items
4) 1 item
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1) 8 items
2) 6 items
3) 5 items
4) 1 item
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1) 11 items
2) 5 items

100v-101r2


1) 13 items
2)10 items
3) 10 items
4) 9 items

f101v2


1) 9 items
2) 9 items
3) 10 items

f101v1-102r2

1) 1 item
2) 1item
3) 2 items
4) 3 items (or 2 +frog)
5) 5 items
6) 2 items

f102v2


1) 14 items (or 13 + cube)
2) 5 items

f102v1


1) 5 items
2) 3 items

Total number of jars: 45

[VViews]

People:

Q13 

75r: 14
75v: 29
76r: text only
76v: 5
77r: 4
77v: 7
78r: 15
78v: 9
79r: 7
79v: 4
80r: 16
80v: 12
81r: 13
81v: 16
82r: 15
82v: 8
83r: 5
83v: 4
84r: 33
84v: 8

Total people in Quire 13 : 234


"Zodiac" section:

Q10

70v2:29

70v1:15

Q11

71r:15

71v:15

72r1:15

72r2:32

72r3:30

72v1: 30

72v3: 30

72v2: 31

Q12

73r:30

73v: 31



Total people in the "zodiac" section: 244

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Additional people outside of the aforementioned sections:

Q8

57v: 4

66r: 1



Q14

85r2:4

85v4: 4

86v3: 2

Q20

116v:1


Total additional people: 20



Which brings us to a grand total of 498 people in the Voynich Manuscript.

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Animals

25v: 1 (dragon)
49r: 2 (snakes/worms)
70v2: 2 (fish)
70v1: 1 (ovine/caprine)
71r: 1 (ovine/caprine)
71v: 1 (bovine)
72r1: 1 (bovine)
72r3: 2 (crustaceans)
72v3: 1 (feline)
73r: 1 (quadruped)
79v: 5 (1 fish, 4 quadrupeds)
80v: 1 (quadruped)
86v3: 2 (birds)
102r2: 1 (batracian)
116v: 1 (quadruped)

Total animals in the Voynich Manuscript: 23
(Note: I only counted animals that were clearly and unambiguously animals, not roots that may look like one.

[VViews]

Stars:

Q20
103r: 19 (7)
103v: 14 (7)
104r: 13 (6)
104v: 13 (7)
105r: 10 (6)
105v: 10 (5)
106r: 16 (8)
106v: 14 (7)
107r: 15 (8)
107v: 15 (8)
108r: 16 (5)
108v: 16 (8)
109-110 missing
111r: 17 (9)
111v: 19 (10)
112r: 12 (6)
112v: 13 (7)
113r: 16 (8)
113v: 15 (8)
114r: 13 (7)
114v: 12 (6)
115r: 13 (7)
115v: 13 (7)
116r: 10 (5)

Total stars: 324
Total red stars: 162

Additionally, there are starred paragraphs (without red stars) on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. & v:
58r: 3
58v: 1

Total Starred paragraphs in the Voynich manuscript: 328

[Koen G]

Thanks VViews, I will update the essentials thread.

Which brings us to a grand total of 498 people in the Voynich Manuscript.

Hmm, there is a conflict here with what is currently in the thread. There it says:

• Human figures in Q13: 231 (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.)
  
  
• Human figures in "Zodiac section": 303 (299 nymphs + 4 central figures) (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.)
  

Which would mean a total of well over 500?

[VViews]

You are correct Koen!
I'm not sure where the 244 number came from, I must have gotten my wires crossed!
So 303 zodiac +234 in q13 + 5 in q8 + 10 in q14 +1 in q20
= 553

[RenegadeHealer]

This Sesame-Street-level-of-effort post is brought to you by the number seventeen.

• There are seventeen glyphs in the four-times-repeated sequence in the second-outermost ring of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
• There are seventeen glyphs in each half of the vertical column along the left margin of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. : the first seventeen in front of the first 3 paragraphs comprising about the first half of the text, the second seventeen in front of the second. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. are the same side of the same bifolio, for what it's worth.
  
• There are seventeen lines of text around the sun on f67v1, each corresponding to its own sun ray, except for the one at the two o'clock position, which gets two sun rays that combine at the tip
  

Feel free to add.

Possibly interesting snippets from the Wikipedia entry on seventeen:

• Either 16 or 18 You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. can be formed into rectangles with perimeter equal to the area; and there are no other You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. with this property. The You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. regarded this as a sign of their peculiar propriety; and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. notes it when writing that the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. "utterly abominate" 17, which "bars them off from each other and disjoins them".
  
• According to You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., 17 has some significant meaning (as yet not known exactly) in the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
  
• You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.'s You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., the Egyptians have a legend that the end of Osiris' life came on the seventeenth of a month, on which day it is quite evident to the eye that the period of the full moon is over. Now, because of this, the Pythagoreans call this day "the Barrier," and utterly abominate this number. For the number seventeen, coming in between the square sixteen and the oblong rectangle eighteen, which, as it happens, are the only plane figures that have their perimeters equal their areas, bars them off from each other and disjoins them, and breaks up the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. by its division into unequal intervals.
  
• In the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., seventeen chapters were written by You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. himself. These are the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
  
• In You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., the number 17 is considered unlucky. When viewed as the Roman numeral, XVII, it is then changed anagrammatically to VIXI, which in the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. translates to "I lived", the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. implying "My life is over." (c.f. "Vixerunt",You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.'s famous announcement of an execution.)
  

"When I was seventeen, it was a very good year..."

[R. Sale]

Surely numbers could play an interesting part in the VMs puzzle, the 4 x 17 sequence.

There are five (5) consecutive astrological houses (Pisces > Cancer) in which the representative occupants of the relevant medallions are connected in a pairing of one type or another. Each is paired within the house and the houses are paired among themselves. Pairing derives its significance from the laws of Deuteronomy.

[-JKP-]

•  There are seventeen glyphs in the four-times-repeated sequence in the second-outermost ring of f57v 

I know that it is very frequently described as a 4 x 17 sequence, but it's not.

It's 2 x 17 + 2 x 17.


The first two have f in the ninth position. The second two have p in the ninth position.