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Objective statistics about VMS text - ThomasCoon - 17-12-2022

Hello all, long time no see! 
Please use this thread mainly to submit your objective (i.e. numbers-based) statistics about VMS glyphs, vords, and text.

If we gather all the facts together, we may be able to reverse-engineer the process that generated them. (Please feel free to speculate about that here too.)

Here are my statistics using Takahashi transcription:
  • <l> appears 10,518 times in the VMS. In 54% of occurrences (5693 cases) it appears before <o>, and about 30% of times (3091 cases) before <a>.
    So, 84% of the time that <l> appears in the VMS, it is either in an <al> or <ol> combination.

  • <r> appears 7456 times. In 3244 cases (43.5% of the time), it is in an <ar> combination, and in 2820 cases (37.8%) it appears in <or>.
    So, 81.3% of the time, <r> is either in an <ar> or <or> combination.

  • <y> appears 17,655 times. In 14,515 cases, it is word-final.
    So, 82.2% of the times that <y> appears in the VMS, it is word-final.

  • There are 36,137 vords (tokens) in the Takahashi transcription. There are 14,515 vords with a final <y>. 
    Therefore 40% of vords in the VMS end in <y>.

  • <d> appears 12,973 times. In 6834 cases (52.7% of the time), <d> is followed by <y>.
  • When <dy> appear together (6834 times), it is word-final 88.8% of the time (6071 times)

  • <k> appears 10,934 times, but in 6069 cases it is in the combination <ok>.
    So <k> is preceded by <o> 55.5% of the time.

  • <t> appears 6944 times in the VMS, but in 3856 cases it is in the combination <ot>.
    So <t> is preceded by <o> 55.5% of the time.

  • <q> appears 5423 times in the VMS, but in 5383 (99.3%) of cases it is word-initial.

  • <q> appears 5423 times in the VMS, but in 5290 (97.5%) of cases it is in the combination <qo>.

  • <qo> appears 5290 times in the entire VMS, but in 3116 (58.9%) times the next letter is <k>, and in 1130 cases (21%), the next letter is <t>.
    So 80% of the time that <qo> appears, it is in a <qok> or <qot> combination.

  • <ain>, <aiin> and <aiiin> appear word-initial over 500 times but are never once line-initial.

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RE: Objective statistics about VMS text - Ruby Novacna - 17-12-2022

For EVA t it would be useful, in my opinion, to count how many times it appears between the two vowels.

I realise that the majority of "consonant" glyphs appear between the two vowels, so this was a bad idea.

RE: Objective statistics about VMS text - Hermes777 - 17-12-2022

Voynichese.com

[k] = 10,845 instances
[t] = 6,872
[p] = 1620
[f] = 499

However, the distribution of these glyphs in the BENCHED form shows [t] to be anomalous:

[ckh] = 907 instances
[cth] = 945 
[cph] = 217
[cfh] = 74

Proportionally, there are far more [cth] - or far fewer [ckh] - than we would expect.

RE: Objective statistics about VMS text - nablator - 18-12-2022

(17-12-2022, 01:16 AM)ThomasCoon Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
  • <ain>, <aiin> and <aiiin> appear word-initial over 500 times but are never once line-initial.
Paragraph lines never start with cK or cF, never end with k.

RE: Objective statistics about VMS text - Torsten - 18-12-2022



RE: Objective statistics about VMS text - ThomasCoon - 05-06-2023

Some more statistics:
  • <y> appears 17,655 times, but in 6834 cases (38.7% of the time) it is in the combination <dy>

  • <n> appears 6,141 times, but in 5,824 cases (94.8%) it is word-final.

  • <n> appears 6,141 times, but in 4,760 cases (77.5%) it follows <i>

  • <e> appears 20,070 times, but in 8,167 cases (40.7%) it follows <h>


Whatever system created the VMS (natural language/cipher/abbreviations etc.) has to produce three outcomes:

  1. Certain glyphs appear almost always in certain positions (word-initial / word-final)
  2. Certain glyphs appear more commonly around other glyphs (e.g. k after o, r after a)
  3. Certain glyphs do both of the above two things.


An inference:
  • Whatever <q> is doing in the VMS, it does not seem to function independently of <o> (with which it's grouped 97.5% of the time), and the letter after <qo> is usually a gallows (84% of the time). <q> seems to "need" an "o-gallows", but "o-gallows" does not need <q> and is often found independent of <q>.


RE: Objective statistics about VMS text - ThomasCoon - 06-06-2023

Another three peculiar things:
  • The 50 most common words in the VMS beginning with ot- all have valid parallels beginning with ok-

Code:
otedy (154) - okedy otaiin (150) - okaiin oteey (135) - okeey otar (124) - okar otal (118) - okal oty (110) - oky oteedy (103) - okeedy otain (95) - okain otor (36) - okor otol (74) - okol otey (55) - okey otam (46) - okam otchy (42) - okchy oteody (40) - okeody oteol (37) - okeol otchdy (33) - okchdy otchedy (33) - okchedy otchey (31) - okchey otchol (27) - okchol otody (24) - okody oteos (21) - okeos otair (19) - okair otaly (19) - okaly otchor (15) - okchor oteeos (13) - okeeos otedar (12) - okedar ot(11) - ok oteeody (11) - okeeody otees (11) - okees otshedy (10) - okshedy oteor (10) - okeor otoldy (9) - okoldy oteo (9) - okeo oteeol (8) - okeeol otaldy (8) - okaldy otshey (8) - okshey oteodar (7) - okeodar otodar (7) - okodar otoly (7) - okoly oteeo (7) - okeeo oto (6) - oko oteodaiin (6) - okeodaiin otcho (6) - okcho oteodal (6) - okeodal otary (6) - okary oteed (6) - okeed oteeey (6) - okeeey otodaiin (5) - okodaiin otear (5) - okear otchar (5) - okchar
  • Of the 50 most common words in the VMS beginning with ot-, 47 have valid parallels beginning with qot-

Code:
otedy (154) - qotedy otaiin (150) - qotaiin oteey (135) - qoteey otar (124) - qotar otal (118) - qotal oty (110) - qoty oteedy (103) - qoteedy otain (95) - qotain otor (36) - qotor otol (74) - qotol otey (55) - qotey otam (46) - qotam otchy (42) - qotchy oteody (40) - qoteody oteol (37) - qoteol otchdy (33) - qotchdy otchedy (33) - qotchedy otchey (31) - qotchey otchol (27) - qotchol otody (24) - qotody oteos (21) - qoteos otair (19) - qotair otaly (19) - qotaly otchor (15) - qotchor oteeos (13) - qoteeos otedar (12) - qotedar ot(11) - qot oteeody (11) - qoteeody otees (11) - qotees otshedy (10) - qotshedy oteor (10) - qoteor otoldy (9) - qotoldy oteo (9) - qoteo oteeol (8) - qoteeol otaldy (8) - qotaldy otshey (8) - qotshey oteodar (7) - No parallel otodar (7) - No parallel otoly (7) - qotoly oteeo (7) - qoteeo oto (6) - qoto oteodaiin (6) - qoteodaiin otcho (6) - qotcho oteodal (6) - No parallel otary (6) - qotary oteed (6) - qoteed oteeey (6) - qoteeey otodaiin (5) - qotodaiin otear (5) - qotear otchar (5) - qotchar
  • Of the 50 most common words in the VMS beginning with ot, 41 have parallels beginning with yt-

Code:
otedy (154) - ytedy otaiin (150) - ytaiin oteey (135) - yteey otar (124) - ytar otal (118) - ytal oty (110) - yty oteedy (103) - yteedy otain (95) - ytain otor (36) - ytor otol (74) - ytol otey (55) - ytey otam (46) - ytam otchy (42) - ytchy oteody (40) - yteody oteol (37) - yteol otchdy (33) - ytchdy otchedy (33) - ytchedy otchey (31) - ytchey otchol (27) - ytchol otody (24) - ytody oteos (21) - yteos otair (19) - ytair otaly (19) - ytaly otchor (15) - ytchor oteeos (13) - yteeos otedar (12) - ytedar ot(11) - no parallel oteeody (11) - yteeody otees (11) - no parallel otshedy (10) - ytshedy oteor (10) - yteor otoldy (9) - ytoldy oteo (9) - yteo oteeol (8) - yteeol otaldy (8) - no parallel otshey (8) - no parallel oteodar (7) - no parallel otodar (7) - no parallel otoly (7) - no parallel oteeo (7) - yteeo oto (6) - yto oteodaiin (6) - no parallel otcho (6) - ytcho oteodal (6) - no parallel otary (6) - ytary oteed (6) - yteed oteeey (6) - yteeey otodaiin (5) - ytodaiin otear (5) - ytear otchar (5) - ytchar


RE: Objective statistics about VMS text - R. Sale - 07-06-2023

While alterations of this type can exist in English, other languages may be more difficult.

In the individual word pairings, do you have numerical values for the second term. If the second term is rare, perhaps it is an alternate or erroneous spelling. If it is more numerous, perhaps it is a different word. Or is use determined by scribal preference?

RE: Objective statistics about VMS text - ThomasCoon - 08-06-2023

(07-06-2023, 11:33 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.In the individual word pairings, do you have numerical values for the second term. If the second term is rare, perhaps it is an alternate or erroneous spelling. If it is more numerous, perhaps it is a different word. Or is use determined by scribal preference?

Thanks for the reply R. Sale - those are all great thoughts. Unfortunately I didn't write down the second vord frequencies, but they were roughly as common or as rare as the first (i.e. a rare ot- word correlated to a rare yt- or qot- word).

RE: Objective statistics about VMS text - nablator - 09-06-2023

(06-06-2023, 10:32 PM)ThomasCoon Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
  • The 50 most common words in the VMS beginning with ot- all have valid parallels beginning with ok-
If I am not mistaken (checked quickly on daiin.net and frequencies are different in every transliteration, which makes the "objective statistics" not at all objective), all frequent words (more than 9 occurrences) containing t have a valid counterpart with k/t switched.
For k it is true for all words with more than 31 occurrences.