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RE: f17r - JoJo_Jost - 19-11-2025
sorry, double post, don't know why
RE: f17r - JoJo_Jost - 19-11-2025
(18-11-2025, 03:25 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.A short vertical stroke, down from the bottom of the second "L" of "allor".
So it could be a p, as I said. Thanks a lot, i didn't see this.
(18-11-2025, 03:25 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.A short curved left-pointing "tail" from near the bottom of the "L" of "lucz".
In any case, you can now see very clearly that it is an A in malher (m apiar) and that the stroke from the A leads to the next loop, which is exactly what the theory says, that it is an a with a "typical" upward loop (as in the examples I showed). and then u have Apiar'
I think that supports my thesis considerably...
but I'm not saying that it's Latin. I'm just saying that if it is Latin, then it's one of the most coherent translations to be found. And, I even dont know, if this was the true translation - we would need more information to know that. For example, what can possibly be seen under/ in the water stain on this side, the last two words.
RE: f17r - JoJo_Jost - 19-11-2025
And I would like to add this as well, because it was presented as complete nonsense:
Here in the picture, you can also see that there could be two lines on the left side of the possible ‘T’ (the T remains speculative), so the lower loop may NOT belong to this T, it could be two lines!
The (admittedly very speculative) idea that this is a large A, again with a loop next to a Gothic T, as a ligature for Autem, is not out of the question.
RE: f17r - Doireannjane - 19-11-2025
(18-11-2025, 03:12 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(18-11-2025, 02:09 PM)Bluetoes101 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Not sure if it's been mentioned before, but is this a trick of the vellum/scan, or might there be the same "legs" on "o" in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and 116v ?
These are clips from the multispectral image set (UV 350 nm) with practically no processing
They have about twice the resolution of the BL 2014 color scans, without the JPEG artifacts.
The whole set of clips of that marginal writing is in
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Yoy will need to rescale the pixel intensity values from ~0..2000 to 0..65535 in order to see anything.
The graininess is mostly due to the rough texture of the vellum surface and the slanted illumination (tilted about 45 deg northwards or southwards from vertical). That makes each little bump or dimple brighter on the light-facing side than on the more shaded side.
Of the three images with same wavelengths, one was taken with light from N, one with light from S, and one with both lights on. You may be able to process each trio to remove some of the graininess from the relief, enhancing the true colors of the vellum and ink.
All the best, --stolfi
My research leads me to understand this is likely a direct reference to the cliffs of Moher.
(19-11-2025, 08:04 AM)Doireannjane Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Photo attached(18-11-2025, 03:12 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(18-11-2025, 02:09 PM)Bluetoes101 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Not sure if it's been mentioned before, but is this a trick of the vellum/scan, or might there be the same "legs" on "o" in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and 116v ?
These are clips from the multispectral image set (UV 350 nm) with practically no processing
They have about twice the resolution of the BL 2014 color scans, without the JPEG artifacts.
The whole set of clips of that marginal writing is in
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Yoy will need to rescale the pixel intensity values from ~0..2000 to 0..65535 in order to see anything.
The graininess is mostly due to the rough texture of the vellum surface and the slanted illumination (tilted about 45 deg northwards or southwards from vertical). That makes each little bump or dimple brighter on the light-facing side than on the more shaded side.
Of the three images with same wavelengths, one was taken with light from N, one with light from S, and one with both lights on. You may be able to process each trio to remove some of the graininess from the relief, enhancing the true colors of the vellum and ink.
All the best, --stolfi
My research leads me to understand this is likely a direct reference to the cliffs of Moher.
RE: f17r - JoJo_Jost - 19-11-2025
(19-11-2025, 08:04 AM)Doireannjane Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.My research leads me to understand this is likely a direct reference to the cliffs of Moher.
An "o" does not usually have a loop next to it, so if you want to interpret the a as an o, it would be molher.
Added later:
and the fourth letter can't be an "h", because the fourth word, ‘her’, begins with a typical h, and two such different h's in one sentence would be highly unusual.
RE: f17r - Doireannjane - 19-11-2025
(19-11-2025, 08:24 AM)JoJo_Jost Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(19-11-2025, 08:04 AM)Doireannjane Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.My research leads me to understand this is likely a direct reference to the cliffs of Moher.
An "o" does not usually have a loop next to it, so if you want to interpret the a as an o, it would be molher.
Added later:
and the fourth letter can't be an "h", because the fourth word, ‘her’, begins with a typical h, and two such different h's in one sentence would be highly unusual.
L and t are similar.
I read: “mothar/mother ailter”
RE: f17r - Doireannjane - 19-11-2025
The word after could be teacht, tuig or tuin? “Traveling”, “Understand” and “accent” respectively -just a worm
RE: f17r - JoJo_Jost - 19-11-2025
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RE: f17r - Doireannjane - 19-11-2025
(19-11-2025, 09:46 AM)JoJo_Jost Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.[b]@ You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.[/b]
The rule is: only one thread per solution! Please note that!
Oh sorry, I thought I could add my interpretation/understanding and research to other threads since others have done the same. Still a little confused there.