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RE: Something similar to f57v. - Ruby Novacna - 09-08-2026
(08-08-2026, 11:38 PM)DG97EEB Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Or this one
Now imagine faces in the middle
Can you read a few words?
I see "oxid..." next to "orie(n)s," is that normal?
RE: Something similar to f57v. - DG97EEB - 09-08-2026
It's a Volvelle..
Layer 1: The Outermost Rim (The Winds & Directions)These Latinized Greek terms served as the compass points of the medieval Mediterranean world, anchoring the chart geographically.bozeas (Boreas) → The North Wind / Northaquilo (Aquilo) → The Northeast Wind / Northeastsubsolan⁹ (Subsolanus) → The East Wind / Eastvulturn⁹ (Vulturnus) → The Southeast Wind / Southeastauster (Auster) → The South Wind / Southnotus (Notus) → The South-Southwest Windafric⁹ (Africus) → The Southwest Wind / Southwestfavoni⁹ (Favonius) → The West Wind / West
Layer 2: The Outer-Middle Rungs (The Time Buffers)These wide cells dictate the base math for the alignment of the sun and the moon.30 and 29 → Triginta et viginti novemTranslation/Purpose: "Thirty and twenty-nine." These alternate around the circle to represent the changing lengths of standard calendar months, or the 29.5-day synodic lunar month.
Layer 3: The Inner-Middle Columns (The Metonic Grid)These narrow, radiating boxes are filled with fluctuating Arabic numerals used by scholars to calculate moveable Christian holidays.19 / 12 / 11 / 10 / 16 / 20 / 23 / 24 → Numeri ComputiTranslation/Purpose: "Computus Numbers."19 represents the 19-year Metonic Cycle (the time it takes for moon phases to land back on the exact same solar calendar dates).11 is the Epact (the 11-day yearly deficit between a 365-day solar year and a 354-day lunar year).
Layer 4: The Inner Rings (The Calendar Tracker)This layer tracks the physical trajectory of the months across the seasons.ap[ri]l[is] → AprilIun[ii] → June
Layer 5: The Center Hub (The Core Cosmos)The absolute innermost axis lines and astronomical glyphs that orient the entire chart.orient (Oriens) → The East / Sunrise (used as the primary alignment baseline)occident (Occidens) → The West / Sunset\(\hbar \) (Saturnus) → Saturn (representing Chronos, deep cosmic time)\leftmoon (Luna) → The Moon (the primary engine driving the calculations of this wheel)
RE: Something similar to f57v. - Linda - 09-08-2026
@ololololo
The original thing you posted is not a calendar per se, but a computus, for calculating the dates of liturgical feasts based on what year it is, based on the motions of the sun and the moon, taking into account things like leap years and moveable and immovable feasts.
You can then make your own calendar for the year that shows the feast days (or sometimes even lucky days for travel, bloodletting, or eating goose, etc) once you are done your calculations with such a tool.
RE: Something similar to f57v. - ololololo - 09-08-2026
(09-08-2026, 07:55 PM)Linda Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.@ololololoThank you, Linda!
The original thing you posted is not a calendar per se, but a computus, for calculating the dates of liturgical feasts based on what year it is, based on the motions of the sun and the moon, taking into account things like leap years and moveable and immovable feasts.
You can then make your own calendar for the year that shows the feast days (or sometimes even lucky days for travel, bloodletting, or eating goose, etc) once you are done your calculations with such a tool.
Such minimalist content (just letters) and yet such vast potential are truly impressive.
The same minimalism is observed in the f57v, and there may be some other divination procedure involved (judging by the ball in the hand of one of the people. Well, or not with fortune-telling, I do not know).
RE: Something similar to f57v. - Linda - 09-08-2026
Yes and I can see how it would get complicated. I was reading that that they used to have an 8 year cycle before the Roman's converted to the eastern 7 year cycle, but in the case of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. it seems to be something to do with 17 and 4.
The recto is a plant. If it was a singulion, the other side is the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. text page, maybe it works with that, as a centerpage?
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is another plant. If You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. was meant as a cover for something about plants, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. could be the back of the quire, presumably filled with more plant pages. The plant total in the quire would be equal unless there was some other type of page in there, or if it included a page with 2 plants, I know there is one of those at least.
2 plants within the cover, 3 more folios of plant only pages 3x4=12, in addition to the one that is already there with two starred text pages and two more plants would be 17 plants if the one with two of them was in there.
The starred pages could be the cover, with 66r and f57v and f66r at the center. What could it be?
Maybe it is about counting planting or harvesting days for different types of plants. The one with 2 plants is i think sorrel and strawberry, both are spring plants and both edible. When to eat the plants? Actual feast days?
That's all that came to mind for now!
RE: Something similar to f57v. - ololololo - 09-08-2026
That’s a very interesting theory, Linda! These are very valuable reflections.
RE: Something similar to f57v. - DG97EEB - 09-08-2026
And f49+f56 are a bifolium, which is nearly but not quite...